SEC coaching shake up coming?

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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Dude, I'm not going to completely rehash what I have already explained.
The bullet points were 2020 post season was completely canceled and his 25 win season lost because of a deadly virus that killed millions of people (but I guess somehow that was Cal's fault) The following year of 21 was a still just a little screwed up from it to put it midly.
If you want to take that and the the other 3 years of this decade and pretend it's even close to a decade of evidence than by all means knock yourself out. I'll stick with Cal had a bad 3 year post season stretch that ended up getting him canned from a school with a delusional fanbase that expects to win a Natty every year.
The ultimate success of Coach Cal actually matters to me not.
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When someone says “this decade,” what does that mean to you?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I didn’t say who’s all time top 10. I said that minus Bob Knight, IU is comparable to a dozen or two other programs.

I also said that IUs 2 early NCAAT championships aren’t similar to recent tournaments. The NIT was a more prestigious event in that era.
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I know, I did. Louisville and Ohio State are top ten all time programs and Houston & Syracuse are top 15. San Fran isn’t even in the stratosphere.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
When someone says “this decade,” what does that mean to you?
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Why does everything have to be re-explained to you? I understand that you said "this decade". My post was calling attention to the fact you used that phrase to make it sound like Cal has had a longer period of coaching ( in specific post season) decline than he actually has.
Moreover, and to the original point, he hasn't necessarily been "consistently" out done by Pearl.

I reality, " this decade" Cal has had exaclty one less NCAA post season win than Pearl. ONE.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
USF has 3x NCs. Houston was #1 in the final polls a couple of times but lost in the NCAAT those years. USF is in fact “in the stratosphere”.
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They have two NCs - 1956 and 1957, when, as you said yourself, the NIT was more prestigious - and have been to the NCAAT only twice in the last 43 years. And I didn’t forget the 3rd FF, which was in 1955. 😂

Louisville has 10 FF and 3 NC since then - all but one since 1980. Ohio State has 7 FF and 1 NC since then . Even Houston, who has never won a title, has 6 FF since then.

Nowhere close to the stratosphere. Ask 100 people and 99 would agree. But you believe what you want to believe. 😎
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Why does everything have to be re-explained to you? I understand that you said "this decade". My post was calling attention to the fact you used that phrase to make it sound like Cal has had a longer period of coaching ( in specific post season) decline than he actually has.
Moreover, and to the original point, he hasn't necessarily been "consistently" out done by Pearl.

I reality, " this decade" Cal has had exaclty one less NCAA post season win than Pearl. ONE.
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5 years is a pretty long time. When is the last decade Kentucky had fewer tournament wins than Auburn? Also, what happened the last time Kentucky played Auburn in the tournament? How are their respective teams looking this year?
 
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VolCalls said:
They have two NCs - 1956 and 1957, when, as you said yourself, the NIT was more prestigious - and have been to the NCAAT only twice in the last 43 years. And I didn’t forget the 3rd FF, which was in 1955. 😂

Louisville has 10 FF and 3 NC since then - all but one since 1980. Ohio State has 7 FF and 1 NC since then . Even Houston, who has never won a title, has 6 FF since then.

Nowhere close to the stratosphere. Ask 100 people and 99 would agree. But you believe what you want to believe. 😎
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History doesn’t begin with your preferred date. Those with little understanding of history being ignorant of the Dons’ program doesn’t cancel when it was dominant.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
5 years is a pretty long time. When is the last decade Kentucky had fewer tournament wins than Auburn? Also, what happened the last time Kentucky played Auburn in the tournament? How are their respective teams looking this year?
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I've already established it was 3

( btw even I granted you all 5 , guess what?
Pearl and Cal both had a 25 win seasons going in 20' and BOTH sucked it up Covid year 21'. Pearl was 13-14 👀),

and now that I have also established Pearl hasn't done anything more than Cal in those same 3 years, you now move the goal posts to necessarily this year and Cal being at a completely new program.

The season hasn't even ended yet, but I'll be cool
( despite what he shown "this decade" in the post season) and go ahead and give you Pearl has a successful tournament this year and Cal loses first round ( he's still last four in at the time of this post).
All you have proven in regards to your original statement between Pearl and Cal ( which is ONLY reason I/we are even discussing Cal) is that Cal has had ONE better season than Calipari.
ONE better seson. lol
That hasn't even necessarily been proven yet!

That is a far cry from what you originally posted. A far cry from " consistently churning out good teams that rival or exceed what he has done in the past".

Someone else in this thread has already mentioned this
VolCalls said:
Pearl has made it out of the first weekend only once in the last 14 years.
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until this year, Pearl hasn't been doing anything post season NCAAT at Auburn apart from that 18-19' season.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
History doesn’t begin with your preferred date. Those with little understanding of history being ignorant of the Dons’ program doesn’t cancel when it was dominant.
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They were dominant in the 50’s. To lump them in the same boat with programs who have consistently done it decade after decade after decade is asinine. Heck, throw CCNY in there with Louisville and Ohio State while you’re at it. But you do you.
 
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VolCalls said:
They were dominant in the 50’s. To lump them in the same boat with programs who have consistently done it decade after decade after decade is asinine. Heck, throw CCNY in there with Louisville and Ohio State while you’re at it. But you do you.
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My doing me was saying that IU minus the Bob Knight era is comparable to San Francisco. I don’t think that you understand that part.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I've already established it was 3

( btw even I granted you all 5 , guess what?
Pearl and Cal both had a 25 win seasons going in 20' and BOTH sucked it up Covid year 21'. Pearl was 13-14 👀),

and now that I have also established Pearl hasn't done anything more than Cal in those same 3 years, you now move the goal posts to necessarily this year and Cal being at a completely new program.

The season hasn't even ended yet, but I'll be cool
( despite what he shown "this decade" in the post season) and go ahead and give you Pearl has a successful tournament this year and Cal loses first round ( he's still last four in at the time of this post).
All you have proven in regards to your original statement between Pearl and Cal ( which is ONLY reason I/we are even discussing Cal) is that Cal has had ONE better season than Calipari.
ONE better seson. lol
That hasn't even necessarily been proven yet!

That is a far cry from what you originally posted. A far cry from " consistently churning out good teams that rival or exceed what he has done in the past".

Someone else in this thread has already mentioned this

until this year, Pearl hasn't been doing anything post season NCAAT at Auburn apart from that 18-19' season.
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Pearl has more wins and more tournament Calipari this decade. Also currently has the number 1 team, just beat Calipari’s bum team, and is doing it at a worse program historically than Cal has coached at for the past 20+ years. There’s no question who’s stock is higher and whose stock has been falling this entire decade, since one of them has the national championship favorites and the other just got run out of town less than a year ago.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Pearl has more wins and more tournament Calipari this decade. Also currently has the number 1 team, just beat Calipari’s bum team, and is doing it at a worse program historically than Cal has coached at for the past 20+ years. There’s no question who’s stock is higher and whose stock has been falling this entire decade, since one of them has the national championship favorites and the other just got run out of town less than a year ago.
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I see you've added some emotion to your argument now.

I guess you looked and seen where Pearl had a crapper season in 2021 himself, uh? lol
That's no use to you, 2020 was canceled, and
the last 3 years they essentially had the same NCAA Post Season records. Neither has made it out of the first weekend.
Your original argument has fell apart, my guy.🙂
 
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Also,
This statement here :

LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Pearl is consistently churning out good teams that rival or exceed what he has done in the past.
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Is not even factually accurate, btw. In that same "decade" Pearl hasn't rivaled or exceeded what he has done in the past. Quite the contrary.

Way back when Pearl made it to the elite 8 one time and 1 time to a final 4. But guess what? That wasn't " this decade", so that doesn't help you, and if you look at his post season "this decade" you're going to laugh if you try to compare the two time periods.
The real funny thing is you are going to claim that over this "last decade" that is Cal has been on a "downturn", then you are going to have to argue coach Pearl has been on one, too. Facts!
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Also,
This statement here :


Is not even factually accurate, btw. In that same "decade" Pearl hasn't rivaled or exceeded what he has done in the past. Quite the contrary.

Way back when Pearl made it to the elite 8 one time and 1 time to a final 4. But guess what? That wasn't " this decade", so that doesn't help you, and if you look at his post season "this decade" you're going to laugh if you try to compare the two time periods.
The real funny thing is you are going to claim that over this "last decade" that is Cal has been on a "downturn", then you are going to have to argue coach Pearl has been on one, too. Facts!
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Pearl has the number one team in the country. This team rivals or exceeds his previous teams. He has won the SEC tournament this decade. He has won the SEC regular season this decade. Those teams rivaled or exceeded many of his previous teams.

Meanwhile, Calipari was run out of Kentucky. If you can’t tell a difference between the two, you’re dumb. There’s no way around it. The fact that you’re still arguing that Calipari is doing as well as the coach leading the number 1 team is absolutely insane.
 
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Special Ed said:
Surely, both Oats and Pearl are going to be on North Carolina's radar when they decide they can't stand anymore of the Hubert show.
They've got deep enough pockets to throw Fort Knox at any coach their little Tar Heel hearts desire. Money talks.
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When is the last time UNC went outside of the family?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Pearl has the number one team in the country. This team rivals or exceeds his previous teams. He has won the SEC tournament this decade. He has won the SEC regular season this decade. Those teams rivaled or exceeded many of his previous teams.

Meanwhile, Calipari was run out of Kentucky. If you can’t tell a difference between the two, you’re dumb. There’s no way around it. The fact that you’re still arguing that Calipari is doing as well as the coach leading the number 1 team is absolutely insane.
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But flamed out in the post season, uh?
What if that happens again this year?
Probably won't, but what if? I'll tell you what if, your argument that is now dependent on this single season would be 100% destroyed and may be in the running for one of the worst ones of the year.

Even if tho, his teams " this decade" prior to this year still haven't had any success in the post season, and we both know that's how coaches are ultimately measured looking back.
Nobody ever even ends up remembering who necessarily won the regular season.

3rd time, Cal is at a new school. He has young guys ( star player out for the season) and he still managed to be winning against Pearl on the road with less than 3 minutes to go last night.
If Pearl was that much better he should have blew him out like Barnes did. Same for Pope. That was super embarrassing for both.
Not to mention Pearl has a team that has been around for almost all of " this decade".

We ultimately don't know what will happen come post season, so I'd be real careful making arguments that hinge on Pearl making it to Elite 8 (or even sweet sixteen given last few years) or farther. He hasn’t done that ' this decade", remember?

Arkansas could still get hot, too.
I don't look for it to happen, but you never know in March. Stranger things have happened.
I do know next year they look to be really good with many players coming back and 2 top ten 5-star recruits poised to run the show for Cal. I definitely wouldn't write him off.

Pearl will be in a rebuild year, so he better get it done this year or next couple or he may be the next one ran out of town on a rail.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
But flamed out in the post season, uh?
What if that happens again this year?
Probably won't, but what if? I'll tell you what if, your argument that is now dependent on this single season would be 100% destroyed and may be in the running for one of the worst ones of the year.

Even if tho, his teams " this decade" prior to this year still haven't had any success in the post season, and we both know that's how coaches are ultimately measured looking back.
Nobody ever even ends up remembering who necessarily won the regular season.

3rd time, Cal is at a new school. He has young guys ( star player out for the season) and he still managed to be winning against Pearl on the road with less than 3 minutes to go last night.
If Pearl was that much better he should have blew him out like Barnes did. Same for Pope. That was super embarrassing for both.
Not to mention Pearl has a team that has been around for almost all of " this decade".

We ultimately don't know what will happen come post season, so I'd be real careful making arguments that hinge on Pearl making it to Elite 8 (or even sweet sixteen given last few years) or farther. He hasn’t done that ' this decade", remember?

Arkansas could still get hot, too.
I don't look for it to happen, but you never know in March. Stranger things have happened.
I do know next year they look to be really good with many players coming back and 2 top ten 5-star recruits poised to run the show for Cal. I definitely wouldn't write him off.

Pearl will be in a rebuild year, so he better get it done this year or next couple or he may be the next one ran out of town on a rail.
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Putting “this decade” in quotes doesn’t make your “dumb argument” look any less “dumb.”You’re really trying to sit here and argue that “Calipari” is on as strong of footing as Pearl when one is probably “NIT bound,” and the other is the “favorite to win the championship” and “likely #1 overall seed.” My argument isn’t just based on this single season, but rather, “this decade” when Pearl has more wins, more tournament wins, has won a regular season championship and conference tournament, can currently claim scoreboard, has a better team this season, and hasn’t been run out of town in the past 11 months. There is not one single element where Calipari has the advantage over Pearl “this decade.”

And lol at saying “Calipari had a late lead” as if that strengthens your moronic argument. You act like basketball isn’t full of bad teams that have a lead late over good teams or that a 66 year old who used to go to Final 4s last decade when he was good should be claiming moral victories because he kept a basketball game kinda close in a loss that pushed him to 15-11 and 4-9 in conference play.

You really need to learn to walk away and just admit when you’re wrong, even if it’s just to yourself. You are making an absolute fool of yourself by trying to argue that John Calipari has not experienced a downturn in the 2020s and that he has had as good of a run since 2020 as Bruce Pearl has.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Putting “this decade” in quotes doesn’t make your “dumb argument” look any less “dumb.”You’re really trying to sit here and argue that “Calipari” is on as strong of footing as Pearl when one is probably “NIT bound,” and the other is the “favorite to win the championship” and “likely #1 overall seed.” My argument isn’t just based on this single season, but rather, “this decade” when Pearl has more wins, more tournament wins, has won a regular season championship and conference tournament, can currently claim scoreboard, has a better team this season, and hasn’t been run out of town in the past 11 months. There is not one single element where Calipari has the advantage over Pearl “this decade.”

And lol at saying “Calipari had a late lead” as if that strengthens your moronic argument. You act like basketball isn’t full of bad teams that have a lead late over good teams or that a 66 year old who used to go to Final 4s last decade when he was good should be claiming moral victories because he kept a basketball game kinda close in a loss that pushed him to 15-11 and 4-9 in conference play.

You really need to learn to walk away and just admit when you’re wrong, even if it’s just to yourself. You are making an absolute fool of yourself by trying to argue that John Calipari has not experienced a downturn in the 2020s and that he has had as good of a run since 2020 as Bruce Pearl has.
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If you discourage his quotation marks, he’s coming with all caps. All caps are the DEFCON one of the cognitively challenged.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Putting “this decade” in quotes doesn’t make your “dumb argument” look any less “dumb.”You’re really trying to sit here and argue that “Calipari” is on as strong of footing as Pearl when one is probably “NIT bound,” and the other is the “favorite to win the championship” and “likely #1 overall seed.” My argument isn’t just based on this single season, but rather, “this decade” when Pearl has more wins, more tournament wins, has won a regular season championship and conference tournament, can currently claim scoreboard, has a better team this season, and hasn’t been run out of town in the past 11 months. There is not one single element where Calipari has the advantage over Pearl “this decade.”

And lol at saying “Calipari had a late lead” as if that strengthens your moronic argument. You act like basketball isn’t full of bad teams that have a lead late over good teams or that a 66 year old who used to go to Final 4s last decade when he was good should be claiming moral victories because he kept a basketball game kinda close in a loss that pushed him to 15-11 and 4-9 in conference play.

You really need to learn to walk away and just admit when you’re wrong, even if it’s just to yourself. You are making an absolute fool of yourself by trying to argue that John Calipari has not experienced a downturn in the 2020s and that he has had as good of a run since 2020 as Bruce Pearl has.
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"This Decade" are your words.
I know it's silly to try to use that to bolster my argument. You're preaching to the choir.
I was just highlighting it for sarcasm.
The fact is, Pearl and Cal have BOTH haven't done anything in the last few years Post Season NCAA. You can sit and pretend Pearl not making past the first weekend of the NCAAT is a huge accomplishment that rivals the years he made it to the Elite 8 and final 4. It's dumb, tho.
You're argument hinges on that, that's what makes it dumb, too. Winning the regular season one year doesn't change that either.
Last season was a complete embarrassment for Pearl. If he had been at Kentucky with his Post season record " this decade " they would've been calling for his job, too. Especially since he hasn't won a Natty for them like Cal did Kentucky. His leash would have been even shorter.
 
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