SEC coaching shake up coming?

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Bloomington is a fun college town is your young. Like most places the traffic is getting worse along with the crime. Winters can be brutal at times but it's Indiana so one week it might be 60 degrees and the next you might have 8 inches of snow. With the obvious exception of $, I'm not sure why a guy like Bruce or Oats would leave for Bloomington. I think you could easily argue that both Bama & Auburn are by far better hoop programs than IU has been for the last 15 years at least. I also heard on a podcast that most of the B1G coaches absolutely HATE the long West Coast trips now with the conference additions.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
Bloomington is a fun college town is your young. Like most places the traffic is getting worse along with the crime. Winters can be brutal at times but it's Indiana so one week it might be 60 degrees and the next you might have 8 inches of snow. With the obvious exception of $, I'm not sure why a guy like Bruce or Oats would leave for Bloomington. I think you could easily argue that both Bama & Auburn are by far better hoop programs than IU has been for the last 15 years at least. I also heard on a podcast that most of the B1G coaches absolutely HATE the long West Coast trips now with the conference additions.
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Nah...Indiana is the dream job right now don't you know. Pearl would absolutely soil his pants if they offered it to him.
 
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Unless Barnes is retiring after this year, which is doubtful, we need to hope there is no big SEC shakeup that snaps up all the good coaches who may be willing to move to a better higher profile program. If not this year, we will likely have to replace Barnes soon and we definitely don't want to have to do a roll of the dice with a mid-major "up and comer". That's the basketball hire equivalent of playing pin the tail on the donkey. It would be much better if we could replace him with someone at least a little more proven at this level, such as Beard from Ole Miss, Byington from Vandy, Jans from Mississipi State, or even Gates from Missouri. I fear when Barnes retires we will be stuck hiring some nobody that likely leads us back to the irrelevant days of Buzz.
 
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87Vol said:
Unless Barnes is retiring after this year, which is doubtful, we need to hope there is no big SEC shakeup that snaps up all the good coaches who may be willing to move to a better higher profile program. If not this year, we will likely have to replace Barnes soon and we definitely don't want to have to do a roll of the dice with a mid-major "up and comer". That's the basketball hire equivalent of playing pin the tail on the donkey. It would be much better if we could replace him with someone at least a little more proven at this level, such as Beard from Ole Miss, Byington from Vandy, Jans from Mississipi State, or even Gates from Missouri. I fear when Barnes retires we will be stuck hiring some nobody that likely leads us back to the irrelevant days of Buzz.
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When that point happens Danny boy is on the clock. All the prices increases for “fan experience “ don’t mean crap if you can’t win.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Cal was already on the downturn as a coach and has been this whole decade. Pearl is consistently churning out good teams that rival or exceed what he has done in the past.
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Coach Cal had 3 22+ wins seasons his last 3 years at Kentucky and minus the Covid year he had 3 25+ wins seasons before that. He never had less than 21 wins the whole time at KY except the Covid year.
He underperformed in the NCAAT the last several years but Pearl hasn't been exactly lighting it up there either.
Writing off coach Cal is going to make a lot of people look silly. He's been hitting the recruiting hard. If anyone expects him to not to make some noise in the SEC in the next couple of years they going to be surprised.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Coach Cal had 3 22+ wins seasons his last 3 years at Kentucky and minus the Covid year he had 3 25+ wins seasons before that. He never had less than 21 wins the whole time at KY except the Covid year.
He underperformed in the NCAAT the last several years but Pearl hasn't been exactly lighting it up there either.
Writing off coach Cal is going to make a lot of people look silly. He's been hitting the recruiting hard. If anyone expects him to not to make some noise in the SEC in the next couple of years they going to be surprised.
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There’s no debate that he has fallen off this decade. 22+ win seasons aren’t exactly anything to write home about these days. In his first 10 years at Kentucky, he had one season with fewer than 26 wins. In his last 6 years, he has zero seasons with more than 26 wins. That is, indisputably, a downturn.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
2020-21 was the “COVID year”. Hardly any spectators were allowed to watch games.

2019-20 was cut short due to COVID. During the conference tournaments.
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The season that was cut short is the Covid year. Otherwise, what’s the point of giving him an “exception” for that year? Fans in the stands don’t matter…the alteration of schedule does matter.
 
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23+22+26+25+30+26+3×+27+38+29+21+38+29=
366 wins. ( 28.1 average)

That's his career/13 games minus the Covid year at Kentucky.
I'm not counting that Covid year. Even NBA coaches all struggled that year.
With that in mind,
22 Wins was his WORSE season in last 5 years.
You average his games last 5 years and he's averaged 25 wins a season.
You said he has been on the downturn as a coach and has been this whole DECADE.
This isn't true. He's averaged right at 27 games per year this last decade.
Moat coaches would kill for that. lol

As far as not having more than 26 wins the last few years, it's only appears to you to be a "downturn" because he had some of those ridiculous seasons earlier at Kentucky. And Like I said, there are explanations for him coming back to an above normal level.
Cal has been a victim of his own success, but that doesn't necessarily mean his best years are behind him.


The only argument you actually have in respect, is his post season play. Anyone giving criticism there is fair, but there were reasons for that. Cal started caring more about getting guys to the NBA than winning in March.

My argument earlier was premised on the fact it's hard for a coach to go to a new school and be successful. We'll have to see what Cal does the next couple of years before anyone could necessarily make/prove the claim you are attempting to make.

The guy is a proven winner. If he gets motivated and focused on winning in March again , I don't have any reason to doubt he can't continue his winning ways.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
The season that was cut short is the Covid year. Otherwise, what’s the point of giving him an “exception” for that year? Fans in the stands don’t matter…the alteration of schedule does matter.
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No fans in the stands cancels out the home court advantage.

The regular season schedule had concluded in 2020 by the time that conference tournaments commenced. 2020-21 was completely disrupted including the summer workouts and pre-season practice began. 2020-21 was the COVID year. Everything was chaotic over that entire basketball season.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
The season that was cut short is the Covid year. Otherwise, what’s the point of giving him an “exception” for that year? Fans in the stands don’t matter…the alteration of schedule does matter.
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They gave players an extra year that played that season because the was so much disruption that year ( i.e players in quarantine/not being able to play, practice time limited/players not getting time to gel, venue changes, schedule changes, fans not in stands, etc.).
It's not a coincidence that happened to be the only year Cal had anything remotely close to what he ended up with.
It was for sure and anomaly. In statistics you throw out stats like that.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
No fans in the stands cancels out the home court advantage.

The regular season schedule had concluded in 2020 by the time that conference tournaments commenced. 2020-21 was completely disrupted including the summer workouts and pre-season practice began. 2020-21 was the COVID year. Everything was chaotic over that entire basketball season.
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I don't think this guy was even watching/keeping up with basketball that season. It's strange we should even have to explain all the disruptions that went on that season.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
23+22+26+25+30+26+3×+27+38+29+21+38+29=
366 wins. ( 28.1 average)

That's his career/13 games minus the Covid year at Kentucky.
I'm not counting that Covid year. Even NBA coaches all struggled that year.
With that in mind,
22 Wins was his WORSE season in last 5 years.
You average his games last 5 years and he's averaged 25 wins a season.
You said he has been on the downturn as a coach and has been this whole DECADE.
This isn't true. He's averaged right at 27 games per year this last decade.
Moat coaches would kill for that. lol

As far as not having more than 26 wins the last few years, it's only appears to you to be a "downturn" because he had some of those ridiculous seasons earlier at Kentucky. And Like I said, there are explanations for him coming back to an above normal level.
Cal has been a victim of his own success, but that doesn't necessarily mean his best years are behind him.


The only argument you actually have in respect, is his post season play. Anyone giving criticism there is fair, but there were reasons for that. Cal started caring more about getting guys to the NBA than winning in March.

My argument earlier was premised on the fact it's hard for a coach to go to a new school and be successful. We'll have to see what Cal does the next couple of years before anyone could necessarily make/prove the claim you are attempting to make.

The guy is a proven winner. If he gets motivated and focused on winning in March again , I don't have any reason to doubt he can't continue his winning ways.
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This decade, i.e., the 2020s, has been a downturn. I mean, he got run out of town by Kentucky and has fewer tournament wins than St Peters during this decade. That’s decidedly worse than he did last decade. His best year this decade would have been his second worst year during the 2010s. You can choose to ignore a whole season to fit your narrative, but it counts in the record books all the same. I seriously doubt Scott Drew would say that year shouldn’t count.

We don’t need any more time to say he has been on a downturn of late, it’s been 5 years now. Cal is 66 and is wrapping up the worst 5 year stretch of his career. There’s more than enough evidence to say his best years are behind him. Maybe he will have a couple decent years at Arkansas, but Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis are not walking through those doors. Marcus Camby isn’t walking through those doors. Hell, even Dajuan Wagner isn’t walking through those doors, at least not the good one.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
This decade, i.e., the 2020s, has been a downturn. I mean, he got run out of town by Kentucky and has fewer tournament wins than St Peters during this decade. That’s decidedly worse than he did last decade. His best year this decade would have been his second worst year during the 2010s. You can choose to ignore a whole season to fit your narrative, but it counts in the record books all the same. I seriously doubt Scott Drew would say that year shouldn’t count.

We don’t need any more time to say he has been on a downturn of late, it’s been 5 years now. Cal is 66 and is wrapping up the worst 5 year stretch of his career. There’s more than enough evidence to say his best years are behind him. Maybe he will have a couple decent years at Arkansas, but Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis are not walking through those doors. Marcus Camby isn’t walking through those doors. Hell, even Dajuan Wagner isn’t walking through those doors, at least not the good one.
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lol ok "This Decade" ( you really mean 3 years)


2020 - He didn't get a chance to play in the tournament. It was canceled. Can't judge the man there at all as far as post season.
25 win season though.

2021 Covid Year - I'm not counting that year and anyone that does is looking to hate. It's so obvious it was an anomaly for him caused by outside factors I'm not wasting time debating it.
2022 - 26 wins
2023- 22 wins
2024- 23 wins


25, 26, 22, 23= 96/4= 24.0 wins a year average
" this decade"

So in short, all you are really saying is Cal has had two regular seasons that were under par for him (22 wins and 23 wins)
That's not saying much, my man. Like at all.

As far as postseasonp play,
Like I said said, 20' no post season to play and 21 'Covid year. So we can fairly say he didn't do good in the tournament for 3 years /
"this decade".

-Incidentally, If one was to back up past that covid cancelation, he had 2 elite 8's and a sweet 16 in the 3 years prior. ( Go back any farther than that and he's in his hay day)

Judging a man of Cal's coaching accomplishment as harshly as you are on on what boils down to 2 slightly under par regular seasons, and 3 tournament performances where he only made it to 2nd round once, is a bit silly, dude.
Coach Cal has earned more respect than that.
He flames out in the next few years at Auburn and you can say he best days are behind him.
Until the, all you have is your suspicion his best days are behind him.
 
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Does Indiana or Kansas have a bigger booster base for basketball than Auburn does now?? That might be a good indicator if Pearl would jump, I would think almost any coach in the SEC (outside of RB) would take the Kansas job if offered. JMO
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
lol ok "This Decade" ( you really mean 3 years)


2020 - He didn't get a chance to play in the tournament. It was canceled. Can't judge the man there at all as far as post season.
25 win season though.

2021 Covid Year - I'm not counting that year and anyone that does is looking to hate. It's so obvious it was an anomaly for him caused by outside factors I'm not wasting time debating it.
2022 - 26 wins
2023- 22 wins
2024- 23 wins


25, 26, 22, 23= 96/4= 24.0 wins a year average
" this decade"

So in short, all you are really saying is Cal has had two regular seasons that were under par for him (22 wins and 23 wins)
That's not saying much, my man. Like at all.

As far as postseasonp play,
Like I said said, 20' no post season to play and 21 'Covid year. So we can fairly say he didn't do good in the tournament for 3 years /
"this decade".

-Incidentally, If one was to back up past that covid cancelation, he had 2 elite 8's and a sweet 16 in the 3 years prior. ( Go back any farther than that and he's in his hay day)

Judging a man of Cal's coaching accomplishment as harshly as you are on on what boils down to 2 slightly under par regular seasons, and 3 tournament performances where he only made it to 2nd round once, is a bit silly, dude.
Coach Cal has earned more respect than that.
He flames out in the next few years at Auburn and you can say he best days are behind him.
Until the, all you have is your suspicion his best days are behind him.
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Your posts may not say anything, but they are long.
 
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