SEC Expansion

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I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
 
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Good topic OP ! Time is now o talk about larger issues than our Spring Practice schedule. I don't really accept either of the newbies, but it's hard not to when they are performing so well. Maybe in 20 yrs. it won't matter but now it does.
 
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I think we should add Memphis, MTSU, Troy, UAB, Coastal Carolina and South Central Louisiana State University (SCLSU). Maybe swap out Mizzou for WKY.
 
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Well unlike USCe and Ark who have been largely forgettable in their tenures here Mizzou and A&M deserve to be here.
I welcome expansion to 16 teams
 
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zaqhhh said:
Well unlike USCe and Ark who have been largely forgettable in their tenures here Mizzou and A&M deserve to be here.
I welcome expansion to 16 teams
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Are you a fan of (4) 16 Team Super Confs ? Just wondering because I don't have an opinion on that yet...
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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Not entirely sure where you were going with this, but you know Mizzou played for the SEC Championship right?
 
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Money rules and that's what it's all about. I think the teams are real good with strong fan base's . I quess time will tell if they blend in but there off to a good start.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
OP was talking about season before last.
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I was. Was wanting to make reference to their receiver running at the mouth then GA blowing them out. Last year whenever both played it seems as though the announcers kept shinning them with the big 12 and trying to use them to knock the SEC. Could just be me though. Funny thing is, if both would have been in the big 12 last year one of them could have been in NC contention had both played each other in a B 12 CG. One probably would have come out undefeated.

On a side not, I hope SEC doesn't add more teams.
 
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It's hard for me to think of a team from Texas being in the SouthEAST conference. It would make more sense for a team from North Carolina.
 
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NCState is a no brainer and was a better fit than either A&M or Mizzou geographically.
Great TV market. Makes no sense for the SOUTH eastern Conf. not to be in a preeminent southern state. And I wouldnt want those uppity NC fans.
 
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I've come to accept sc and ark. With me tx a&m and mizz are still wet behind the ears. Like the additions tho. Makes the sec more competitive.
 
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I remember when Tulane and Ga Tech exited the conference.

The super conferences are being formed, whether we like it or not. I don't ever want to see the SEC take a back seat to anyone. If expansion keeps us more competitive from a revenue standpoint, then so be it.

Fla St always seemed like a natural to me. A North Carolina or Virginia school both seem logical for geographics. After 20 years, Ark and SCar began feeling quite natural. I believe Missouri and A&M will feel more natural with the passage of time. The schools themselves have much to do with that. If they have a strong fanbase, which they do, and they are happy to be a conference member, both are very capable of great competition in every sport.

Times and events shape the future. I've learned to just roll with the changes rather than resist them. Do I miss the old 10 team conference? Sometimes, but I also am enjoying the changes too.
 
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Add two more and go to a four division league.

Baylor would now make a nice target after they've seen the effect on TAM. Texas is a big enough state that two SEC teams would not hurt TV. An Oklahoma team would be nice but I don't think they'd move. IMHO, getting any of the big 4 from NC is a pipe dream. Va Tech has shown a willingness to listen. The Big 12 move hasn't had the impact for WVU that they hoped so that could make sense too.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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Only thing measurable that Arkansas has done since '92 was win the National Championship in men's basketball & also win some bowl games.

Now South Carolina has a respectable baseball, football & womens basketball team, but they have won nothing. NOt a National Championship. Not an S.E.C. Championship (in football) but they are respectable.

Just wait until we expand to 16 team, with 4 division of 4 teams each. The S.E.C. will look totally different than what it did in 1991.

Two teams from the Washington D.C. area, the Houston area or the Los Angeles area will join the conference at some point.

It is all about the $$. The bigger t.v. markets will bring in more money for the S.E.C. That is why Southern Miss, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville or Florida State were not chosen to join the S.E.C. We already have a t.v. presence in those markets. So, we went to the Houston & St. Louis t.v. markets and got Mizzou & A & M.

HOuston, D.C. & Los Angeles have the bigger t.v. markets to bring in more money ot the conference and to expand our brand to other geographic areas.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I was. Was wanting to make reference to their receiver running at the mouth then GA blowing them out. Last year whenever both played it seems as though the announcers kept shinning them with the big 12 and trying to use them to knock the SEC. Could just be me though. Funny thing is, if both would have been in the big 12 last year one of them could have been in NC contention had both played each other in a B 12 CG. One probably would have come out undefeated.

On a side not, I hope SEC doesn't add more teams.
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It was their defensive tackle, Sheldon Richardson.

He ended up almost leading the conference in tackles that season (which interior linemen almost never do) and was drafted 11th overall to the Jets the April after that.
 
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Roustabout said:
NCState is a no brainer and was a better fit than either A&M or Mizzou geographically.
Great TV market. Makes no sense for the SOUTH eastern Conf. not to be in a preeminent southern state. And I wouldnt want those uppity NC fans.
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No it's not. It'd be an absolute mess attempting to wrangle them away from UNC, let alone the ACC.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Only thing measurable that Arkansas has done since '92 was win the National Championship in men's basketball & also win some bowl games.

Now South Carolina has a respectable baseball, football & womens basketball team, but they have won nothing. NOt a National Championship. Not an S.E.C. Championship (in football) but they are respectable.

Just wait until we expand to 16 team, with 4 division of 4 teams each. The S.E.C. will look totally different than what it did in 1991.

Two teams from the Washington D.C. area, the Houston area or the Los Angeles area will join the conference at some point.

It is all about the $$. The bigger t.v. markets will bring in more money for the S.E.C. That is why Southern Miss, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville or Florida State were not chosen to join the S.E.C. We already have a t.v. presence in those markets. So, we went to the Houston & St. Louis t.v. markets and got Mizzou & A & M.

HOuston, D.C. & Los Angeles have the bigger t.v. markets to bring in more money ot the conference and to expand our brand to other geographic areas.
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They're not adding an L.A. team.

There's also Kansas City along with St. Louis, as far as Mizzou goes.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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I am like you I didn't like it when we went to 12, still hard to count US and Hogs as SEC teams, wish it was like the old days.:cray:
 
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Further expansion is going to require one of two things happening:

1. One of the major conferences will have to fold entirely, with the bulk of its membership being swallowed up by the other four. The only two that could run that risk are the ACC and Big XII.

2. A major conference will get desperate and settle for inferior additions. Kind of like Rutgers to the Big 10 or Louisville to the ACC. This seems unlikely, but it's not completely out of the question. The one program hanging out there that wouldn't be an inferior addition is BYU. But the two conferences that would be logical landing spots, the Big XII and the Pac 12, both seem uncomfortable at this point.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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I'm sure you realize that all of those teams but Arkansas finished well above UT in the SEC last year...
 
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I'm old school too. I'm about to get used to USCe & Ark after 22 yrs! Mo & A&M really aren't southeast in geography so it's still hard to accept them as part of the SEC....I sure don't want to expand any more!
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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regrettably you're not going to get a lot of cogent thought on the matter from this board...
 
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