SEC Expansion

#51
#51
TrueOrange said:
A school that, when trying to bolt from the collapsing Big East, got turned down by both the ACC AND the SEC? (Also, one that the Big 12 added just to make sure they had a 10th team.)


Among other things, it has no major media markets tied to it (the main reason expansion has been taking place, since this has all been about dollars to the conferences). The state has maybe a population of 1 million total (for comparison, TN has one of 6.5 million; Missouri has one of 6 million). And counter to what fans of the school claim, they do not bring in any of the Pittsburgh, DC, or Baltimore markets.

And while we're at it, it's not the deciding factor, but academically it even makes Kentucky look prestigious (UK is the worst rated school in the SEC at #119. WVU comes in all the way at #170.). Good luck convincing university presidents - who are the ones that vote on such decisions - that it's a good idea to add them.

The closest thing they suit to a need is that they're close geographically (and that doesn't mean much anymore).



The only way they end up in this conference is if the SEC has no better options, are just willing to settle, and thus just need another body.
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West Virginia's fan base is a joke when it comes to football the hype they get is way overrated
 
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#52
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headlesstiger said:
the goal in the near future is 16 I think Nc State is the most likely as one of those I think Virginia tech would jump at the chance for an SEC invite. we won't add Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, or Clemson just because of USC, UGA, Florida , & Kentucky agreeing to block any admittance for either of the other's rival


Baylor won't come just because of the way they acted when A&M & Mizzou announced they were leaving UNC & Duke wont come because both would be a package deal I could definetly see Oklahoma or Okie State coming Oklahoma has already shown they don't give two cents about what Texas thinks they probably would've came along with A&M & Mizzou if Baylor hadn't gotten their panties in a wad
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Schools have a way of changing their attitudes when they're the ones being invited. See the history of Big East schools leaving for the ACC.

That said, I don't see Baylor being near the top of the SEC's wish list, though their sports teams have had quite a rebirth lately.
 
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#53
#53
I am personally not too crazy about it! The thing I hate about expansion is the number of years it takes to get around to playing all your conference foes, and how it has affected basketball schedules. It wasn't such a big issue at 12. If it goes to 16, the resistance to a 9 conference game schedule gets silly. The argument for 10 comes up.

At some point in the next 20 to 30 years, there will be some leave, and more come in. Time changes everything, and it isn't always good. Then again, if Vandy goes to the Big 10.....
 
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TNnative said:
I am personally not too crazy about it! The thing I hate about expansion is the number of years it takes to get around to playing all your conference foes, and how it has affected basketball schedules. It wasn't such a big issue at 12. If it goes to 16, the resistance to a 9 conference game schedule gets silly. The argument for 10 comes up.

At some point in the next 20 to 30 years, there will be some leave, and more come in. Time changes everything, and it isn't always good. Then again, if Vandy goes to the Big 10.....
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SEC West: LSU - A&M - Arkansas - Mizzou
SEC South: Bama - Auburn - Ole Miss - MSU
SEC East: Florida - Georgia - Tennessee - Vandy
SEC North: South Carolina - North Carolina (or other) - Virginia Tech - Kentucky

Play each divisional rival plus 2 teams from each of the other divisions (and rotate every 2 years). Thats 9 games, you never go more than 2 years without playing anyone, and every player will set foot on every conference campus at least once.

Problem solved.
 
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Morpheus said:
SEC West: LSU - A&M - Arkansas - Mizzou
SEC South: Bama - Auburn - Ole Miss - MSU
SEC East: Florida - Georgia - Tennessee - Vandy
SEC North: South Carolina - North Carolina (or other) - Virginia Tech - Kentucky

Play each divisional rival plus 2 teams from each of the other divisions (and rotate every 2 years). Thats 9 games, you never go more than 2 years without playing anyone, and every player will set foot on every conference campus at least once.

Problem solved.
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Swap sc with UT and I think that would be awesome
 
#59
#59
GOATeric14berry said:
Swap sc with UT and I think that would be awesome
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I would rather us stay with UF and UGA, both for traditions sake and for recruiting. And we are pretty much joined at the hip with Vandy, so… In that scenario, all the intra-state rivalries remain in the same divisions.
 
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#60
WV will never be offered...no TV market...Maryland was the obvious choice if they were wanting to expand again....The Big 10 took that to get to 14 so they could get into the DC market... UNC or NC State and the NC TV markets are the only viable choice at the moment,but only one of those will be offered,NC State more than likely...geography means nothing,its TV market share and nothing else...a Dallas area team could be an option,but FL,SC,TN,MS,AL,AR,KY,MO,LA,GA won't have another team added...TX is the only 1 that could,get the Houston and Dallas markets...but the other ut won't join,it would have to be a lesser TX team...
 
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Tongue in cheek here, but how about my SMU Mustangs? Come to Dallas, spank us in football, and get face time with elite DFW recruits while you're here. We could be the Vandy of the west. Great academics, soon-to-be elite basketball program, and we'll expand our football stadium with that SEC money!
 
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Morpheus said:
I would rather us stay with UF and UGA, both for traditions sake and for recruiting. And we are pretty much joined at the hip with Vandy, so… In that scenario, all the intra-state rivalries remain in the same divisions.
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Those divisions are way too unbalanced, though. Some traditional power needs to move over to the North division.
 
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UTRavens said:
Those divisions are way too unbalanced, though. Some traditional power needs to move over to the North division.
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IDK, I tend to think it fairly well balanced. USCe has been as strong or stronger than UF and UGA in recent years, the state of North Carolina is a hotbed of talent that a lone SEC representative could easily parlay into a potent program, and VT is usually pretty good. Over time, that division could become very strong.

But my personal preference is to keep the core of the old SEC members together as much as possible.
 
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Morpheus said:
I would rather us stay with UF and UGA, both for traditions sake and for recruiting. And we are pretty much joined at the hip with Vandy, so… In that scenario, all the intra-state rivalries remain in the same divisions.
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Geographically we are farther north then USC. Also would be a lot easier to establish a rivalry with Vt and nc state with us then usc.
 
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GOATeric14berry said:
Geographically we are farther north then USC. Also would be a lot easier to establish a rivalry with Vt and nc state with us then usc.
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I considered using SEC Central for UT's division and SEC East for the USC's, maybe that makes more sense geographically.

As far as rivalries, USC versus UNC is a natural rivalry waiting to happen. Can you imagine the annual "Battle for the Carolinas" games? UNC and VT already have a rivalry, and VT and UK are practically neighbors.

Besides, If you put UT in that division, you have to put Vandy in it as well, which really would create an unbalanced division. UT, Vandy, Kentucky, and VT? Separate VT from the North Carolina school?

End of the day, it all depends on which NC school is brought in. UNC is the crown jewel everyone wants, and the key to further expansion.
 
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#66
#66
Everybody but Vandy (except past few years) has their runs every 15 years or so and are dominant within those years for a few years (except Bama) so it all evens out over time regardless of who is in what part of the conference.
 
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#67
Why would anyone want a Virginia or north Carolina school in the SEC when we recruit those areas pretty hard and one of the advantages we have is the conference we are in compared to them. Thats taking away a sales pitch.
 
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Vol865 said:
Why would anyone want a Virginia or north Carolina school in the SEC when we recruit those areas pretty hard and one of the advantages we have is the conference we are in compared to them. Thats taking away a sales pitch.
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Mike Slive doesnt care...its all about TV markets...its going to happen
 
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SMU Vol said:
Tongue in cheek here, but how about my SMU Mustangs? Come to Dallas, spank us in football, and get face time with elite DFW recruits while you're here. We could be the Vandy of the west. Great academics, soon-to-be elite basketball program, and we'll expand our football stadium with that SEC money!
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I've long said I would love to see SMU's football program rise back up and renew it's old rivalry with Arkansas
 
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Morpheus said:
SEC West: LSU - A&M - Arkansas - Mizzou
SEC South: Bama - Auburn - Ole Miss - MSU
SEC East: Florida - Georgia - Tennessee - Vandy
SEC North: South Carolina - North Carolina (or other) - Virginia Tech - Kentucky

Play each divisional rival plus 2 teams from each of the other divisions (and rotate every 2 years). Thats 9 games, you never go more than 2 years without playing anyone, and every player will set foot on every conference campus at least once.

Problem solved.
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With the current talk of adding a 9th SEC game and getting rid of the cross-division rivalries, is there a chance we might be moving toward something similar to the above?

Some say we'll never see a 4-division SEC, but I don't see any reason not to do it once they're up to 16. Too many positives…

1. Fair and balanced conference schedules across the board.
2. Ease of scheduling.
3. Every team has a 1 in 4 chance of making the playoffs every year.
4. The loss of the cross-divisional rivalries wouldn't sting so much considering they'd still play each other twice every 4 years.
5. It would return the actual conference feel due to playing everyone so frequently.
6. Geographically significant divisional rivalries would remain intact and become even more intense due to the smaller divisions.
7. Every team would add an SEC home game every other year to boost their revenues, plus the chance to add a 6th home game if they win their division (assuming the 1st round would be played at the home of the highest seeds).
8. This format could be easily adapted to basketball and other sports.

So why not?
 
#71
#71
Though our rivalry with Ala has been one sided the past several years some of the other rivalries won't be disolved. I do see four sub conferences and a SEC playoff but that might be many years down the road.
 
#73
#73
Dave1967 said:
1)Clemson
2)FSU
3)Georgia Tech
4)Miami
5)West Virginia
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No benefit in adding WVU. Little recruiting and a small television market translates to no extra $$$ coming into the SEC, which is the point of expansion. Clemson is also similar, as we already have USC. In my opinion, you'd get teams from states with no current SEC schools, such as Virgina (VT) or North Carolina (Nc State? UNC? Duke?). Miami has a chance because it's a huge recruiting pool, and a huge tv market. Can't really see FSU or GA Tech leaving the ACC.
 
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VolAllen said:
No benefit in adding WVU. Little recruiting and a small television market translates to no extra $$$ coming into the SEC, which is the point of expansion. Clemson is also similar, as we already have USC. In my opinion, you'd get teams from states with no current SEC schools, such as Virgina (VT) or North Carolina (Nc State? UNC? Duke?). Miami has a chance because it's a huge recruiting pool, and a huge tv market. Can't really see FSU or GA Tech leaving the ACC.
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Miami would be a great addition. The SEC would get the central and south Florida market.
 
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