SEC Expansion

#76
#76
I would love to see a 16 team SEC divided into east/west divisions as follows:

East: Florida, Georgia, S. Carolina, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, Auburn, & Alabama.

West: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Arkansas, Mizzou, T A&M, OU, OSU.
 
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Morpheus said:
With the current talk of adding a 9th SEC game and getting rid of the cross-division rivalries, is there a chance we might be moving toward something similar to the above?

Some say we'll never see a 4-division SEC, but I don't see any reason not to do it once they're up to 16. Too many positives…

1. Fair and balanced conference schedules across the board.
2. Ease of scheduling.
3. Every team has a 1 in 4 chance of making the playoffs every year.
4. The loss of the cross-divisional rivalries wouldn't sting so much considering they'd still play each other twice every 4 years.
5. It would return the actual conference feel due to playing everyone so frequently.
6. Geographically significant divisional rivalries would remain intact and become even more intense due to the smaller divisions.
7. Every team would add an SEC home game every other year to boost their revenues, plus the chance to add a 6th home game if they win their division (assuming the 1st round would be played at the home of the highest seeds).
8. This format could be easily adapted to basketball and other sports.

So why not?
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4-division SEC, eh? Care to formulate hypothetical divisons? I'm intrigued
 
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owenfieldreams said:
I would love to see a 16 team SEC divided into east/west divisions as follows:

East: Florida, Georgia, S. Carolina, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, Auburn, & Alabama.

West: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Arkansas, Mizzou, T A&M, OU, OSU.
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I'd rather the SEC land Texas than Oklahoma State
 
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Morpheus said:
With the current talk of adding a 9th SEC game and getting rid of the cross-division rivalries, is there a chance we might be moving toward something similar to the above?

Some say we'll never see a 4-division SEC, but I don't see any reason not to do it once they're up to 16. Too many positives…

1. Fair and balanced conference schedules across the board.
2. Ease of scheduling.
3. Every team has a 1 in 4 chance of making the playoffs every year.
4. The loss of the cross-divisional rivalries wouldn't sting so much considering they'd still play each other twice every 4 years.
5. It would return the actual conference feel due to playing everyone so frequently.
6. Geographically significant divisional rivalries would remain intact and become even more intense due to the smaller divisions.
7. Every team would add an SEC home game every other year to boost their revenues, plus the chance to add a 6th home game if they win their division (assuming the 1st round would be played at the home of the highest seeds).
8. This format could be easily adapted to basketball and other sports.

So why not?
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If what you propose happens, and the historical Tennessee Alabama game only happens twice in four years, the men who make it happen should be reduced to paupers and their progeny only employed as stadium restroom janitors for 5 generations.

I find the facination with huge conferences disgusting.
 
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Dave1967 said:
Miami would be a great addition. The SEC would get the central and south Florida market.
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I live in both parts of FL for years, and based on my experience there are the Gators and then everything else in that state. Central FL is mostly UF which includes two large TV markets in Tampa and Orlando. Jacksonville is dominated by Gators. South Florida is mostly UM but it is a melting pot of a lot of others and foreign nationals who don't ever watch college football, the like international soccer. The SEC is easily the most watched conference in both areas because of the high level of competition. Basically, adding UM doesn't get the SEC the most bang, adding a two teams one from North Carolina and Virginia would make the SEC the most money!
 
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bamawriter said:
No one watches Miami football. They have the worst fanbase of any major conference team.
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Wrong, in my experience they are the most fickle. If they are playing at a national level and ranked in the top five they are all in, if not they aren't interested.

I have been to games in the old orange bowl where 80k sounded like twice that many.
 
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gunner said:
I live in both parts of FL for years, and based on my experience there are the Gators and then everything else in that state. Central FL is mostly UF which includes two large TV markets in Tampa and Orlando. Jacksonville is dominated by Gators. South Florida is mostly UM but it is a melting pot of a lot of others and foreign nationals who don't ever watch college football, the like international soccer. The SEC is easily the most watched conference in both areas because of the high level of competition. Basically, adding UM doesn't get the SEC the most bang, adding a two teams one from North Carolina and Virginia would make the SEC the most money!
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I doubt UNC,NCSU,Wake Forest or Duke would leave the ACC because of basketball tradition. The most possible ACC teams that would leave(IMO)would probably be FSU,Miami,Virginia Tech,Virginia and maybe GT. No chance any teams in NC would leave probably.
 
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gunner said:
Wrong, in my experience they are the most fickle. If they are playing at a national level and ranked in the top five they are all in, if not they aren't interested.

I have been to games in the old orange bowl where 80k sounded like twice that many.
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Call it fickle if you want, but it isn't uncommon for Miami to draw 25% capacity at Sun Life. They haven't drawn since they tore down the Orange Bowl. It's pathetic.
 
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lawvol78 said:
I like adding 4 teams. MTSU, North Carolina, VT, and WVU. With that you could send Mizzu to the west, have MTSU join them and add vT, NC, and WVU to the east. Or go get a TCU or SMU for the west.
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MTSU?!?! :eek:lol: Just to let you know, Any school the SEC wold go after would have to be able to generate INCOME for the league...MTSU would have a hard time selling out a high school stadium....Thanks for the laugh tho
 
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Dave1967 said:
I doubt UNC,NCSU,Wake Forest or Duke would leave the ACC because of basketball tradition. The most possible ACC teams that would leave(IMO)would probably be FSU,Miami,Virginia Tech,Virginia and maybe GT. No chance any teams in NC would leave probably.
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Virginia Tech and NC State have both been rumored as possible targets by the SEC. The ACC doesn't like defections either, they are trying to make Maryland pay a $50 Million for leaving. We will see what happens.
 
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gunner said:
Wrong, in my experience they are the most fickle. If they are playing at a national level and ranked in the top five they are all in, if not they aren't interested.

I have been to games in the old orange bowl where 80k sounded like twice that many.
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No sir you are wrong...Very wrong...Miami has a very small fanbase and most of those sellouts were from people who were not even true fans of the school and jumped on the bandwagon...I worked security for Miami for years and believe me most of the fans in the stands were a bunch of New Yorkers who just happened to suddenly become fans...The student section at UM is tiny...It's a private school that doesn't have that big of an enrollment compared to a state university...They don't even own their own stadium.
 
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bamawriter said:
Call it fickle if you want, but it isn't uncommon for Miami to draw 25% capacity at Sun Life. They haven't drawn since they tore down the Orange Bowl. It's pathetic.
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Miami is not a college town, the fans are different there. When they are wining and playing a decent opponent, the fans are there and don't sit on their hands. They have a very fickle fan base, and if you don't believe it just ask the Marlins.
 
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gunner said:
Virginia Tech and NC State have both been rumored as possible targets by the SEC. The ACC doesn't like defections either, they are trying to make Maryland pay a $50 Million for leaving. We will see what happens.
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That's a rumor Clay Travis started.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
MTSU?!?! :eek:lol: Just to let you know, Any school the SEC wold go after would have to be able to generate INCOME for the league...MTSU would have a hard time selling out a high school stadium....Thanks for the laugh tho
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:lolabove::eek:lol::birgits_giggle::rofl::lol::clap::good!:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
No sir you are wrong...Very wrong...Miami has a very small fanbase and most of those sellouts were from people who were not even true fans of the school and jumped on the bandwagon...I worked security for Miami for years and believe me most of the fans in the stands were a bunch of New Yorkers who just happened to suddenly become fans...The student section at UM is tiny...It's a private school that doesn't have that big of an enrollment compared to a state university...They don't even own their own stadium.
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Good for you! But based on my experience, and it is not the last five or 10 years, it goes back to the eighties when I was a teenager living in Florida, they are very supportive when winning. The worst thing they did was move them to Broward County to play in Dolphins Stadium.

If you had ever been to a game in the old Orange Bowl just off Calle Ocho, it looked more like New Havana rather than New York as you suggest.
 
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gunner said:
Good for you! But based on my experience, and it is not the last five or 10 years, it goes back to the eighties when I was a teenager living in Florida, they are very supportive when winning. The worst thing they did was move them to Broward County to play in Dolphins Stadium.

If you had ever been to a game in the old Orange Bowl just off Calle Ocho, it looked more like New Havana rather than New York as you suggest.
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Dolphins stadium is not in broward county...It is in Miami Gardens and as far as going to games at the orange bowl I have been to well over 100 including dolphins games and hurricane games not to mention several orange bowl games...The orange bowl was located in little havana but very few of the residents there went to games...You obviously do not get the point that florida is a transient state and Miami is one of the biggest areas that these people gather...Canadians and new yorkers and a lot of people from the cold east and mid west cities live here in the fall and winter..Everybody loves a winner and yes the people who were here supported them in the 80's and the the last national title run an entirely different group supported them on that run...Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by knocking heads with me over this but its becoming very obvious you have no clue what you are talking about.
 
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Oh and by the way, The UF/Miami game this past season was 80% Florida fans there and it STILL wasn't sold out...Dolphins games never sell out and when they do it is usually over run with fans from other teams...Is it starting to make sense now?
 
#98
#98
Florida State and Georgia Tech in..Missouri and Texas A&M out. Its already making it tough to keep many of the natural rivalries with the expansion of the league
 
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Makethecallsports said:
Florida State and Georgia Tech in..Missouri and Texas A&M out. Its already making it tough to keep many of the natural rivalries with the expansion of the league
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1) There's little chance of either of those two getting in.

2) There wouldn't be difficulty maintaining the natural rivalries if the conference would just man up and jump to 9 conference games like the other ones have all done.
 
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