SEC not planning to comment...Saban praises officiating (merged)

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Tidal Surge said:
Saban's point wasn't whether the replay official got the call right or wrong. His point was that he thinks it's wrong for coaches and the media to be so critical of officials every time there's a contoversial call they think the officials got wrong.
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bullcrap
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Saban's point wasn't whether the replay official got the call right or wrong. His point was that he thinks it's wrong for coaches and the media to be so critical of officials every time there's a contoversial call they think the officials got wrong.
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Wow, I agree with you, anytime there is an injustice, we should all just keep our mouths shut so as not to draw undo attention to it.... that way everyone continues living in their own little fantasy world where nothing untoward ever happens.

Thanks for the lesson on American backbone and spirit in this new great century.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
Wow, I agree with you, anytime there is an injustice, we should all just keep our mouths shut so as not to draw undo attention to it.... that way everyone continues living in their own little fantasy world where nothing untoward ever happens.

Thanks for the lesson on American backbone and spirit in this new great century.
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Hate to get political, but that's the main problem with our country now. Sissified, politically correct nation.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
He asked the reporters what I thought was a pretty good rhetorical question -- why do you guys hardly ever criticize the players who draw the penalties, but do not hesitate to criticize officials when they make mistakes?
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So Saban is basically telling the media to go after the players and you think it's a good idea? Amazing. :blink:

The refs get paid to do what they do and are therefore open to criticism from the media if they fail to perform their jobs in an acceptable manner. The players don't. Well, unless you're going to Bama that is. :tease2:
 
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If there is a conspiracy to put both UF and BAMA in the SECCG undefeated, then explain the poor calls in the UGA/LSU game, MSU/LSU game, and even the ARK/AU game?

CONSPIRACY? NO


CRAPPY OFFICIATING? NO DOUBT!!!!
 
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Tidal Surge said:
I had not seen those "freeze" frames. Based on that, I have to agree that the ball came out before he crossed the line. If the review official(s) in the booth was able to slow it down enough or freeze it to where he could tell that clearly, then I agree that it should have been overturned. If the official does not have that kind of review capability, he should.
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I would venture to guess that would even be something you could see without the aid of freezing the frame. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the replay officials use Tivo or something similar? Either way, I'm guessing they do have the ability to freeze the frame anyway. So blatantly inept!
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Tonight I watched the video of Coach Saban's presser from which he was quoted in the articles posted in this thread. Not all of his remarks were included in those articles. The thrust of his remarks was aimed at the media -- getting on to them somewhat for being so critical of officials if/when they make mistakes. He asked the reporters what I thought was a pretty good rhetorical question -- why do you guys hardly ever criticize the players who draw the penalties, but do not hesitate to criticize officials when they make mistakes?
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HawaiiVol said:
So Saban is basically telling the media to go after the players and you think it's a good idea? Amazing. :blink:

The refs get paid to do what they do and are therefore open to criticism from the media if they fail to perform their jobs in an acceptable manner. The players don't. Well, unless you're going to Bama that is. :tease2:
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That's not the point Coach Saban (or I) was making and you made yourself look like an idiot if you are truly indicating that you think it was.

I described what Coach Saban said, which was again directed at the media. Here are his actual remarks:

"They [officials] work their tail off and try to do a good job," Saban said. "We have a (player) jump offsides, they don't get criticized like that. Over a mistake, one way or the other. I mean, can somebody stand up and fight for these guys and what they do for the game? And probably get less for it than anybody."

Question for you all: When is the last time you saw the media produce any positive reporting about officials?

Much of the media nowadays loves dirt and loves to stir the pot, with little regard for objectivity, balance or truth. Some even have hostile biases against some SEC programs and the SEC in general and will sieze opportunities to smear them. Those realities are well understood by Slive and the ADs and University presidents who vehemently support the SEC ethics policies and rules against ADs, coaches, players, etc. criticizing officials in the media.

Much moreso than the three or four actual significant officiating blunders (UGA/LSU, UF/Arky, UF/MSU) and the suspension of an officiating crew by Slive, the SEC coaches violations of those rules is the biggest cause of the out-of-control media assault now underway on the integrity of SEC officiating.

Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UA/UT game were not only the most damaging in that regard, but were unjustified, incorrect and misleading. The overwhelming majority of posters on VolNation are unwilling to face and admit that truth. Instead they band together to lap up the BS Kiffin is feeding them and blame Slive for unfairly persecuting him.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
That's not the point he or I was making and you made yourself look like an idiot if you are truly indicating that you think it was.

I described what Coach Saban said, which was again directed at the media. Here are his actual remarks:

"They [officials] work their tail off and try to do a good job," Saban said. "We have a (player) jump offsides, they don't get criticized like that. Over a mistake, one way or the other. I mean, can somebody stand up and fight for these guys and what they do for the game? And probably get less for it than anybody."

Questions for you guys: When is the last time you saw the media produce any positive reporting about officials?
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duh! that's the whole point of officiating.....do a good job and nobody even knows your name or that you were even there. screw up and everyone knows you.
 
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kev20 said:
duh! that's the whole point of officiating.....do a good job and nobody even knows your name or that you were even there. screw up and everyone knows you.
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So you think officials should not be at least occasionally shown some love for dedication, hard work and doing a good job of something that is very difficult, especially when the mistakes they make are so heavily scrutinized and visciously publicized?

Wow!
 
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Kiffin would probably have been suspended for sarcastically "praising the officials" after such a poor call helped his team.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
So you think officials should not be at least occasionally shown some love for dedication, hard work and doing a good job of something that is very difficult, especially when the mistakes they make are heavily so widely scrutinized and visciously publicized?

Wow!
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that wasn't my opinion, that's just the way it is and has been. anyone can tell you that.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
So you think officials should not be at least occasionally shown some love for dedication, hard work and doing a good job of something that is very difficult, especially when the mistakes they make are heavily so widely scrutinized and visciously publicized?

Wow!
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I would think the fact that they go unnoticed would be praise in and of itself to them. No need to publicly praise them, especially after how they have performed this year.

Saban got some beneficial calls and noncalls, and his comments were nothing more than trying to take the high road, or maybe build some capital to use later on if/when they get screwed. I guarantee he would be silent or singing a different tune had they lost the same way LSU did.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would think the fact that they go unnoticed would be praise in and of itself to them. No need to publicly praise them, especially after how they have performed this year.

Saban got some beneficial calls and noncalls, and his comments were nothing more than trying to take the high road, or maybe build some capital to use later on if/when they get screwed. I guarantee he would be silent or singing a different tune had they lost the same way LSU did.
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And which way did they lose?
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GOT TWELVE? said:
And which way did they lose?
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By not being given the opportunity to win (or at the very least, take the lead) that they clearly earned.

Save me this pathetic nonsense that it wouldn't have mattered anyway because Bama was beating them. Sometimes the better team loses due to a couple of big plays. UT beat Bama in almost every statistical category and still lost.

Go ahead and commence with your nonresponses of Bama won, sour apples, we are playing in the SEC CG, etc....etc...
 
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Tidal Surge said:
why do you guys hardly ever criticize the players who draw the penalties, but do not hesitate to criticize officials when they make mistakes?
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So he's going after the media because they criticize officials, but not the players. The media could very easily run with that thought and start criticizing the players as well so that when they do criticize the officiating, it doesn't look like they're being biased towards the officiating since they're criticizing all aspects equally. I doubt they would, but there's a large amount of hackjobs in the media profession that would go that route if they thought it would garner more listeners/readers.

Tidal Surge said:
That's not the point Coach Saban or I was making and you made yourself look like an idiot if you are truly indicating that you think it was.

I described what Coach Saban said, which was again directed at the media. Here are his actual remarks:

"They [officials] work their tail off and try to do a good job," Saban said. "We have a (player) jump offsides, they don't get criticized like that. Over a mistake, one way or the other. I mean, can somebody stand up and fight for these guys and what they do for the game? And probably get less for it than anybody."
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Looks like he's standing up for them, doesn't it? Probably not the best person for the job though seeing as how bama is seen as being the beneficiary of bad officiating.

And Saban trying to compare a player jumping offsides to officials missing terribly obvious calls? C'mon.
 
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Y'all, I fully realize that being an official is kind of like being an offensive lineman blocking down after down or a cornerback covering receivers play after play. You don't get much recognition until you noticeably screw up.

People take for granted the consistently good blocking and number of plays where receivers were covered and didn't get thrown to. Moreover, they typically will ignore their good plays altogether if and when one or two critical mistakes occur that stand out.

So, if the media were ruthlessly bashing a lineman who commits a critical drive-killing offsides penalty or gives up a devastating sack and a cornerback who gets beat for a game winning TD pass and their coach were to take up for them, is that coach wrong for doing so?

Then why is Saban wrong for trying to get the media to recognize that officials just might not deserve such a thrashing for a few high profile mistakes when they may actually be doing a good job for the most part?

Before you answer, ask yourself if you really have any true knowledge of how SEC officials "grade out" on their performance evaluations.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
That's not the point Coach Saban (or I) was making and you made yourself look like an idiot if you are truly indicating that you think it was.

I described what Coach Saban said, which was again directed at the media. Here are his actual remarks:

"They [officials] work their tail off and try to do a good job," Saban said. "We have a (player) jump offsides, they don't get criticized like that. Over a mistake, one way or the other. I mean, can somebody stand up and fight for these guys and what they do for the game? And probably get less for it than anybody."

Question for you all: When is the last time you saw the media produce any positive reporting about officials?

Much of the media nowadays loves dirt and loves to stir the pot, with little regard for objectivity, balance or truth. Some even have hostile biases against some SEC programs and the SEC in general and will sieze opportunities to smear them. Those realities are well understood by Slive and the ADs and University presidents who vehemently support the SEC ethics policies and rules against ADs, coaches, players, etc. criticizing officials in the media.

Much moreso than the three or four actual significant officiating blunders (UGA/LSU, UF/Arky, UF/MSU) and the suspension of an officiating crew by Slive, the SEC coaches violations of those rules is the biggest cause of the out-of-control media assault now underway on the integrity of SEC officiating.

Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UA/UT game were not only the most damaging in that regard, but were unjustified, incorrect and misleading. The overwhelming majority of posters on VolNation are unwilling to face and admit that truth. Instead they band together to lap up the BS Kiffin is feeding them and blame Slive for unfairly persecuting him.
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You have a high opinion of yourself there Skippy.
As an official for twenty years, it is critque that makes you a better official.
Take your self righteous crap back to the shat hole in which you reside.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Y'all, I fully realize that being an official is kind of like being an offensive lineman blocking down after down or a cornerback covering receivers play after play. You don't get much recognition until you noticeably screw up.

People take for granted the consistently good blocking and number of plays where receivers were covered and didn't get thrown to. Moreover, they typically will ignore their good plays altogether if and when one or two critical mistakes occur that stand out.

So, if the media were ruthlessly bashing a lineman who commits a critical drive-killing offsides penalty or gives up a devastating sack and a cornerback who gets beat for a game winning TD pass and their coach were to take up for them, is that coach wrong for doing so?

Then why is Saban wrong for trying to get the media to recognize that officials just might not deserve such a thrashing for a few high profile mistakes when they may actually be doing a good job for the most part?

Before you answer, ask yourself if you really have any true knowledge of how SEC officials "grade out" on their performance evaluations.
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Have you EVER officiated?
 
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Tidal Surge said:
... Then why is Saban wrong for trying to get the media to recognize that officials just might not deserve such a thrashing for a few high profile mistakes when they may actually be doing a good job for the most part?

Before you answer, ask yourself if you really have any true knowledge of how SEC officials "grade out" on their performance evaluations.
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1) Do you think Saban would be singing their praises if a couple of wrong calls went against him and Bama lost the game?

2) I think the following link does a pretty good job of describing the process they use to critique themselves.

Marc Curles, the Southeastern Conference referee who made a controversial call in the Arkansas-Florida game, apologizes for his mistake - ESPN
 
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