SEC not planning to comment...Saban praises officiating (merged)

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#101
Replay officials made sure they did not have an angle to get undisputable evidence. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but adding these all together something is rotten.

I am still laughing over Kiffin critisizing the officiating, Super Slive bellows out the Kiffin intended fine, teacher's pet Urbie walks smack into it. Urbie furious at CLK for getting it all started and CLK gets away clean. Urbie then hints he did it to take attention from Spikes (LOL) and Satan praises officials after LSU gets screwed.
 
#102
#102
I'd applaud the officiating too if i were Saban. Hell, i might even give them a kickback or something, oops, lol.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
You guys are the ones that keep creating so many of these pathetic officiating conspiracy threads -- in an effort to back up CLK for his pathetic and unjustified whining about the officiating in the UT/UA game and his inuendo that there is an SEC officiating conspiracy.
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He was wrong about the dead ball fowl call/no call. There was a real problem in the disparity between penalties called for and against Bama, and that is at the very least debatable. There were many uncalled holding penalties and such on both teams, the problem was they were much more likely to be called against UT in that game.

I don't think there is some conspiracy going on here by any means, I just think that the better teams (national contenders) are given the benefit of the doubt on those calls. The outcome would not have been any different, UT had the chance to win that game on more than one occasion but came up short, end of story. That doesn't make the argument that there is a problem of perception in the leagues officiating any less valid.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
The blown calls by the crew for the UGA/LSU and UF/Ark game indeed started the whole thing. Slive suspended the crew and reprimanded Bobby Petrino for publicly criticizing them. Both were appropriate actions by Slive.

Following that Dan Mullen, Lane Kiffin and Urban Meyer publicly criticized officials. It's debatable whether Mullen's complaint had merit. Slive made it clear that Kiffin's complaints about the UT/UA officiating were without merit. It's clear that Meyer's complaint about an unnecessary roughness going unflagged had merit. Regardless of whether their complaints have merit or not, Slive's actions in reprimanding and fining them were justified and appropriate.

The "problem of perception" as you put it is much more the fault of the whining coaches than that of Slive. The coach who was the most out of line with his whiny complaining and the biggest fanner of the conspiracy theory flames was Lane Kiffin.[/QUOT

Since Bammers are the favored ones, I can understand your point of view.
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Tidal Surge said:
.... The "problem of perception" as you put it is much more the fault of the whining coaches than that of Slive. The coach who was the most out of line with his whiny complaining and the biggest fanner of the conspiracy theory flames was Lane Kiffin.
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The national media is not following the lead of, as you call them, whinny coaches. They see the problems with their own eyes and have reported accordingly.

The SEC as the dominant big money conference is going to be under a microscope. Slive’s position seems to be, if coaches don’t talk about it, then there is no problem.

Who are you going to believe, Slive or your lying eyes?
 
#106
#106
What's there to comment about? It's obvious to anyone who isn't vision impaired that was a interception.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
You guys are the ones that keep creating so many of these pathetic officiating conspiracy threads -- in an effort to back up CLK for his pathetic and unjustified whining about the officiating in the UT/UA game and his inuendo that there is an SEC officiating conspiracy.
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You seem to keep claiming that these opinions are basically just CLK's and that we're just homers. Do you watch the news? Ironically it is you who have the homer, minority report.
 
#108
#108
The actual language in the NCAA rule refers to it as "indisputable (conclusive) evidence". In this case, the evidence was "conclusive" that it was an interception. Indisputable, which is the term always used, is a bit more difficult to meet...someone can always dispute a call.

The replay booth officials should be required to explain themselves, or the SEC should relieve them of further assignments. I can understand the official on the field missing this type of call, but not in the replay booth.

I was glad when Urban finally received a fine after complaining about the late hit on Tebow (because it was against Urban). However, I have a general problem with fining coaches for telling the truth. If they complain about a call, and they are wrong, then levy a fine. If the complaining coach is correct, then no penalties should be imposed. The refs need to be criticized when they blow a call, especially from the replay booth. If they can't take it, then they need to find a new profession.
 
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wvVol said:
Definitely not so. The ball just has to be controlled. Remember Prothro's catch vs Florida a few years back when Bama beat the snot out of them? He pinned the ball against his helmet but the catch was good. I can catch it with one hand and hold it like a loaf of bread as long as I control it. I don't blame the field officials, but the booth REALLY blew this one.
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Yea I don't blame the on field officials either that play happened to fast to call correctly the replay booth however dropped the ball.
 
#111
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Tidal Surge said:
You guys are the ones that keep creating so many of these pathetic officiating conspiracy threads -- in an effort to back up CLK for his pathetic and unjustified whining about the officiating in the UT/UA game and his inuendo that there is an SEC officiating conspiracy.
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Yea, there isn't anything else on the internet and blogs talking about the horrible officiating that has been happening in the SEC. I'm not buying into the conspiracy thing, but you can't get away from the pathetic officiating/replay reviews that have continued every week.

The crap calls against Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi State all go back to our backing up Kiffin. Get real.

Like I said, in the past, you have been OK to read, but you are turning into a troll when every media outlet is saying the calls were horrible.
 
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UTKVolFan said:
Yea, there isn't anything else on the internet and blogs talking about the horrible officiating that has been happening in the SEC. I'm not buying into the conspiracy thing, but you can't get away from the pathetic officiating/replay reviews that have continued every week.

The crap calls against Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi State all go back to our backing up Kiffin. Get real.

Like I said, in the past, you have been OK to read, but you are turning into a troll when every media outlet is saying the calls were horrible.
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I agree that the excessive celebration call against UGA's Green and the two blown calls in the UF/Arky game that essentially "made" UF's TD drive to tie the game were so badly blown that the suspension of the crew was appropriate. IMO, the UF/MSU thing is one where the video evidence is not indisputable (conclusive) enough to overturn the call on the field.

I don't think Kiffin's remarks and inuendo about officiating following the UA/UT game were appropriate or justified. IMO they were classless and whiny.

I don't think coaches should criticize officiating publicly. It should be done via the league process that exists for that purpose.

IMO, Slive is right and Kiffin is wrong.

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#113
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Tidal Surge said:
..... the UF/MSU thing is one where the video evidence is not indisputable (conclusive) enough to overturn the call on the field.

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Forget this double screen shot. Take a look at his right hand in the picture on the right side. It is obvious that there is no ball in his hand. What more do you need?

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VolDad said:
Forget this double screen shot. Take a look at his right hand in the picture on the right side. It is obvious that there is no ball in his hand. What more do you need?

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Why bother? If you wanted to refute all his silliess, it would take a week.
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#115
#115
Tonight I watched the video of Coach Saban's presser from which he was quoted in the articles posted in this thread. Not all of his remarks were included in those articles. The thrust of his remarks was aimed at the media -- getting on to them somewhat for being so critical of officials if/when they make mistakes. He asked the reporters what I thought was a pretty good rhetorical question -- why do you guys hardly ever criticize the players who draw the penalties, but do not hesitate to criticize officials when they make mistakes?
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Tonight I watched the video of Coach Saban's presser from which he was quoted in the articles posted in this thread. Not all of his remarks were included in those articles. The thrust of his remarks was aimed at the media -- getting on to them somewhat for being so critical of officials if/when they make mistakes. He asked the reporters what I thought was a pretty good rhetorical question -- why do you guys hardly ever criticize the players who draw the penalties, but do not hesitate to criticize officials when they make mistakes?
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There is no excuse for a replay official getting it wrong.
 
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VolDad said:
Forget this double screen shot. Take a look at his right hand in the picture on the right side. It is obvious that there is no ball in his hand. What more do you need?

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I had not seen those "freeze" frames. Based on that, I have to agree that the ball came out before he crossed the line. If the review official(s) in the booth was able to slow it down enough or freeze it to where he could tell that clearly, then I agree that it should have been overturned. If the official does not have that kind of review capability, he should.

I still do not think Mullen should criticize the officiating in the media. The SEC has appropriate processes and procedures for handling that with appropriate discretion.
 
#118
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Tidal Surge said:
I had not seen those "freeze" frames. Based on that, I have to agree that the ball came out before he crossed the line. If the review official(s) in the booth was able to slow it down enough or freeze it to where he could tell that clearly, then I agree that it should have been overturned. If the official does not have that kind of review capability, he should.

I still do not think Mullen should criticize the officiating in the media. The SEC has appropriate processes and procedures for handling that with appropriate discretion.
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I'd say those are about like complaining to your congressman these days. A nice cookie cutter letter that states you're wrong and they're right, but thanks for asking anyway type of thing.
 
#119
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VolDad said:
There is no excuse for a replay official getting it wrong.
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Saban's point wasn't whether the replay official got the call right or wrong. His point was that he thinks it's wrong for coaches and the media to be so critical of officials every time there's a contoversial call they think the officials got wrong.
 
#120
#120
Tidal Surge said:
Saban's point wasn't whether the replay official got the call right or wrong. His point was that he thinks it's wrong for coaches and the media to be so critical of officials every time there's a contoversial call they think the officials got wrong.
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And he's wrong. What's new?
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#121
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Cartervol said:
I'd say those are about like complaining to your congressman these days. A nice cookie cutter letter that states you're wrong and they're right, but thanks for asking anyway type of thing.
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You've made an erroneous assumption. I know Kiffin made remarks that would lead one to think that is all that occurs, but that is far from the truth.
 
#122
#122
Tidal Surge said:
Saban's point wasn't whether the replay official got the call right or wrong. His point was that he thinks it's wrong for coaches and the media to be so critical of officials every time there's a contoversial call they think the officials got wrong.
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Only seems to happen at critical times in a couple of teams games. Funny how that keeps happening.
 
#123
#123
Tidal Surge said:
You've made an erroneous assumption. I know Kiffin made remarks that would lead one to think that is all that occurs, but that is far from the truth.
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And you know different? Tell me one time other than a team getting a hand written apology it's been any different. They sure as hell aren't going to replay the game. It happens a lot. Only it's happened more than normal and under circumstances that have people thinking whether the fix is on or not.
 
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