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if you are listening to rush i very much doubt you are going to vote a republican out of office even if they voted for the stimulus bill.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Limbaugh was quite vicious in his attacks on Republican senators who initially indicated that they liked parts of the bill or appreciated Obama's overtures towards them. Limbaugh derided all such efforts as "suckering" in some of those Republicans. Limbaugh also blasted Obama and his administration for noting that Limbaugh had engaged in this tactic of basically calling any Republican who supported the stimulus as a traitor.... And it has worked. Republican senators, afraid to earn the wrath of Limbaugh, have run back to the right. They no longer exercise their own judgment, just what Heir Limbaugh gives them room for (which ain't much). And now some Republican governors are turning down billions in desperately needed federal monies to maintain their own political hopes. It is no coincidence that Louisiana's governor is leading this charge, endearing himself to Limbaugh and his listeners.
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This is some of the worst cause and effect analysis I have ever seen in my entire life. Mind you, we're on VolNation, which is rife with stupidity.

What if some of them simply made a decision based upon a good idea or their constituency. You're essentially saying they went against Obama's spending orgasm and other insanity because Rush Limbaugh told them to do so. I'll assure you it doesn't take a rock star of a conservative to part ways with Obama's ideas and ideals, yet you're acting as if it could only be through hypnosis that someone would do so. Please.
 
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droski said:
if you are listening to rush i very much doubt you are going to vote a republican out of office even if they voted for the stimulus bill.
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But if we listen to LG's logic Rush has the power to control powerful people, the average American would be no different.
 
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KB5252 said:
But if we listen to LG's logic Rush has the power to control powerful people, the average American would be no different.
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You will not vote for the stimulus package. . .

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I actually had lunch with Corker last Thurs at a realtors lunch and he explained his reasoning for not supporting it and he did a great job doing it. He also mentioned several times that if something wasn't done to save GM soon then filing for Chapter 13 may be the only way out but as it sits there is no way they can pay what they owe.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
I actually had lunch with Corker last Thurs at a realtors lunch and he explained his reasoning for not supporting it and he did a great job doing it. He also mentioned several times that if something wasn't done to save GM soon then filing for Chapter 13 may be the only way out but as it sits there is no way they can pay what they owe.
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let them go 13
 
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droski said:
serious question. would you have voted for the stimulus bill? and if yes. why?

do you really think the average senator gives a flying F about rush? come on.
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On question 1, I probably would have voted yes for it because the portions that are meritorious outweigh the portions that are pure pork. However, I would have done so only after a press conference screaming that the pork sucked and identifying who put it in and then offering an amendment to strike all the pork.

As to question 2, I don't believe that any reasonably intelligent person listens to Limbaugh other than for pure entertainment and I don't believe that Senators take their POLICY cues from him. But, I absolutely do believe that those senators pay very close attention to him for political matters and that when he says jump, the by and large say "How high?"
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KB5252 said:
If GM went 13 would that have any effect on the union, if so what?
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Hopefully it would put them in their place and get rid of them. They have been nothing but a leech on GM's ability to be competitive.
 
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lawgator1 said:
On question 1, I probably would have voted yes for it because the portions that are meritorious outweigh the portions that are pure pork. However, I would have done so only after a press conference screaming that the pork sucked and identifying who put it in and then offering an amendment to strike all the pork.

As to question 2, I don't believe that any reasonably intelligent person listens to Limbaugh other than for pure entertainment and I don't believe that Senators take their POLICY cues from him. But, I absolutely do believe that those senators pay very close attention to him for political matters and that when he says jump, the by and large say "How high?"
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what are the meritorious portions of this spending bill?

The "how high" comment is still ludicrous. You might be shocked to find that some senators are conservative and that Rush Limbaugh is also an exceptionally bright conservative. Ergo, they have some chance of agreeing with one another on a lot of issues and an extreme likelihood of agreement on crap like this disaster of a spending bill.
 
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rjd970 said:
Hopefully it would put them in their place and get rid of them. They have been nothing but a leech on GM's ability to be competitive.
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I agree, and from the sounds of it Sen. Corker does too. He was joking about his name being mud up in Michigan.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now some Republican governors are turning down billions in desperately needed federal monies to maintain their own political hopes. It is no coincidence that Louisiana's governor is leading this charge, endearing himself to Limbaugh and his listeners.
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If you look at Jidahl's objection it is to a provision in the bill that would require his state to pay unemployment support to part-time workers that lost their jobs.

The objection is that to do this he would have to raise taxes on businesses to cover the costs and there is no sunset provision so after the Fed money stops, he's on the hook for all of it or on the hook for taking away benefits. It's the gift that keeps taking.

By the way, he's not advocating turning down all the money coming to his state - just some of it.

You like to accuse others of mindless parroting of talking points - why not follow the advice. Jindahl is not "turning down billions". Not sure which left wing seditious source you got that from :)
 
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BigPapaVol said:
what are the meritorious portions of this spending bill?

The "how high" comment is still ludicrous. You might be shocked to find that some senators are conservative and that Rush Limbaugh is also an exceptionally bright conservative. Ergo, they have some chance of agreeing with one another on a lot of issues and an extreme likelihood of agreement on crap like this disaster of a spending bill.
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RL is brilliant at producing a popular product, I will surely grant you that. But, his intellectual power when it comes to policy is rather limited relative to his conservative guru status. There are some truly gifted intellectual conservatives who make sound arguments and don't resort to manipulating people based on their worst instincts, like RL. George Will comes to mind. Safire, too. But RL is more a barking circus ring leader than a "smart conservative." Sadly, guys like Will are not nearly as popular with people who could truly benefit from some wise and reasoned conservative thought.
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lawgator1 said:
RL is brilliant at producing a popular product, I will surely grant you that. But, his intellectual power when it comes to policy is rather limited relative to his conservative guru status. There are some truly gifted intellectual conservatives who make sound arguments and don't resort to manipulating people based on their worst instincts, like RL. George Will comes to mind. Safire, too. But RL is more a barking circus ring leader than a "smart conservative." Sadly, guys like Will are not nearly as popular with people who could truly benefit from some wise and reasoned conservative thought.
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Funny, I can think of a recently elected official that is all over this routine.
 
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allvol123 said:
Funny, I can think of a recently elected official that is all over this routine.
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Allvol, do you mean to say that RL is smarter than Obama? Surely you cannot remotely suggest such a thing. You may disagree with his politics, that's fine. But the man is intellectually infinitely superior to RL.
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lawgator1 said:
Allvol, do you mean to say that RL is smarter than Obama? Surely you cannot remotely suggest such a thing. You may disagree with his politics, that's fine. But the man is intellectually infinitely superior to RL.
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1) I never brought up RL. He is your infatuation.
2) BO is every bit of what I highlighted in your post.
 
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Lexvol said:
I'm no banker, but in talking to my banker friends they are concerned that this package will do little or nothing to get money circulating again.
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I agree, the banks are getting the money to stay solvent but there not lending
I've been watching mortage rates since I'm in an ARM, and 15 year and 30 year they haven't dropped in comparision to the prime rate.

I also feel that everyone should get the $8,000 homeowners credit. Why should a first time buyer benefit, they should already be getting great rates.
 
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