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fromtheparkinglot said:
I doubt we can attribute that season's success on the guard play of Howell and Smith. We were exceptional from behind the arc and turned opposing teams over with 20+ turnovers a game leading to tons of easy baskets going the other way. Put Ramar at the point on this year's team and see what happens.
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Quite frankly, you can attribute alot of that season's success to having a steady point guard. A PG who does NOT turn the ball over and is not a liability on defense means everything in the world. You can have great wing and post players, but without a steady ( I hate to use the word, but) "Game-managing" point guard its all useless. This was of course UK's biggest obstacle last year, because we lead the league in turnovers, and Porter could not guard a turtle.

Neither of UT's current point guards have shown any signs of either playing solid D, or managing a game.


Edit: I just realized I posted and somehow missed reading the last page. So if my post is a No S#&t Mr. Obvious, thats why.)
 
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#77
#77
No harm in posting the obvious. Some people can use all the opportunities they can get to grasp the obvious on this.
 
#79
#79
yoranguavol2 said:
"Hate,"
You need to take the "vol" out of your name!

Our "chief rivals" have not faired to well against us the last three years!
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Other than Florida, who because Pearl can't lose to seems to suddenly be the benchmark for our "rivals", our "chief rivals" have done fine against us. And our CHEIF rival embarrassed us twice last year, with one of their worst teams ever.
 
#80
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VolsSportsFan said:
Other than Florida, who because Pearl can't lose to seems to suddenly be the benchmark for our "rivals", our "chief rivals" have done fine against us. And our CHEIF rival embarrassed us twice last year, with one of their worst teams ever.
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Pearl's record against our top rivals:
Kentucky 3-5
Florida 7-1
Vandy 6-2
Memphis 2-2

I think that is a very good record. Winning on the road is very difficult, especially at these places, and the Vols have won at all 4 under Pearl. That is the best record we have had against UK in a long time, and winning 7 of 8 against the Gators (including 3 of 4 against the back to back champs) is amazing. And Memphis wasn't bad either.
 
#81
#81
jlovevols said:
Pearl's record against our top rivals:
Kentucky 3-5
Florida 7-1
Vandy 6-2
Memphis 2-2

I think that is a very good record. Winning on the road is very difficult, especially at these places, and the Vols have won at all 4 under Pearl. That is the best record we have had against UK in a long time, and winning 7 of 8 against the Gators (including 3 of 4 against the back to back champs) is amazing. And Memphis wasn't bad either.
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those Kentucky teams that beat us were awful from a historical perspective. We have no business with a sub 500 record against them.
 
#82
#82
I am very impressed with the level of negaVols comments on here. A year ago we were world beaters, and now we belong in C-USA (or maybe Pearl, rather). But I like it, shows we are never satisfied. Keep it up.
 
#83
#83
BigPapaVol said:
those Kentucky teams that beat us were awful from a historical perspective. We have no business with a sub 500 record against them.
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Exactly. UT has gone 3-5 against Kentucky squads that have gotten their coach fired twice in that span of time.
 
#84
#84
BigPapaVol said:
those Kentucky teams that beat us were awful from a historical perspective. We have no business with a sub 500 record against them.
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Not to mention that we were a Patrick Patterson injury away from going 0-4 against a coach who only kept his job for 2 years.
 
#85
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I don't disagree with all of the negative sentiment - I'm frustrated too. But, isn't it fair to say that UT's success the last four seasons has had something to do with UK firing two coaches? I realize that Gillispie was Pearl's kryptonite in head-to-head competition, but consider how UK might have finished in the standings the last four seasons if UT hadn't emerged under Pearl.

If Chris Lofton would have played for a lousy coach for his four years, I think there's a good chance Tubby would still be in Lexington.
 
#86
#86
jlovevols said:
I am very impressed with the level of negaVols comments on here. A year ago we were world beaters, and now we belong in C-USA (or maybe Pearl, rather). But I like it, shows we are never satisfied. Keep it up.
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why does reality have to be negative? I simply pointed out that the KY teams that drilled is in 3 of 4 over the past two seasons were absolutely awful. On the other hand, Pearl hands Billy Donovan his head on a regular basis and that makes no sense to me.
 
#87
#87
BigPapaVol said:
why does reality have to be negative? I simply pointed out that the KY teams that drilled is in 3 of 4 over the past two seasons were absolutely awful. On the other hand, Pearl hands Billy Donovan his head on a regular basis and that makes no sense to me.
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I wasn't just talking about your last post. I meant in general, a lot of people in this thread appear to be quite unhappy with the team and/or Pearl. But I take your point, and I agree that the records against those 2 don't really make sense.
 
#88
#88
jlovevols said:
I wasn't just talking about your last post. I meant in general, a lot of people in this thread appear to be quite unhappy with the team and/or Pearl. But I take your point, and I agree that the records against those 2 don't really make sense.
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I don't say the things I do about Pearl to be negative. The truth is the truth, some things Pearl has done are great (energize the fan base etc.) and some things are negative, it is what it is.
 
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#89
BigPapaVol said:
why does reality have to be negative? I simply pointed out that the KY teams that drilled is in 3 of 4 over the past two seasons were absolutely awful. On the other hand, Pearl hands Billy Donovan his head on a regular basis and that makes no sense to me.
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How much of that success over Donovan and failure to Gillespie do you think is just coaching, style of play and matchups?
 
#90
#90
fromtheparkinglot said:
How much of that success over Donovan and failure to Gillespie do you think is just coaching, style of play and matchups?
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I think it's all coaching. Donovan can't do it, nor can Pearl from an Xs and Os perspective. Gillispie outcoached both of them every time he saw them. Pearl's lack of any semblance of half court basketball dooms him against coaches willing to slow him down and force him to play a half court game. Gillispie did it to perfection several times with a much less talented team.

Other coaches will adopt it over time.
 
#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
I think it's all coaching. Donovan can't do it, nor can Pearl from an Xs and Os perspective. Gillispie outcoached both of them every time he saw them. Pearl's lack of any semblance of half court basketball dooms him against coaches willing to slow him down and force him to play a half court game. Gillispie did it to perfection several times with a much less talented team.

Other coaches will adopt it over time.
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Yeah, CBG had a huge role in Jodie Meeks 54 point performance didn't he? If Meeks scores his season avg of 24 pts, UK only scores 60 points and UT wins, 72-60. CBG slowed us down didn't he? Meeks shot the ball every time it touched his hands. How is that slowing you down? Meeks gets drafted in the NBA in the second round. Who had a lesser talented team?

I'll take a split with UK every year no matter how good or bad they are. UT could could have its best team ever and still have difficulties beating UK. That's just the way it is. There is not a coach out there who can make our program as good as UK. If you want NC's and Final Four appearances every year, you may want to start rooting for UNC. It won't happen at UT.
 
#92
#92
mtt2d said:
Yeah, CBG had a huge role in Jodie Meeks 54 point performance didn't he? If Meeks scores his season avg of 24 pts, UK only scores 60 points and UT wins, 72-60. CBG slowed us down didn't he? Meeks shot the ball every time it touched his hands. How is that slowing you down? Meeks gets drafted in the NBA in the second round. Who had a lesser talented team?
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Did Meeks score 54 points when we got killed in Rupp? How about all the other times when we lost to inferior UK teams?
 
#93
#93
mtt2d said:
Yeah, CBG had a huge role in Jodie Meeks 54 point performance didn't he? If Meeks scores his season avg of 24 pts, UK only scores 60 points and UT wins, 72-60. CBG slowed us down didn't he? Meeks shot the ball every time it touched his hands. How is that slowing you down? Meeks gets drafted in the NBA in the second round. Who had a lesser talented team?

We scored 60 points in our own gym. How far was that from average? If you don't like that, look at the shot totals. It was a concerted effort to slow the game and it worked.

You also don't seem to recognize that had meeks not been torching us, someone else would have been. That's how our D worked. They didn't even break out Patterson for the night.

Do you think our sorry D had anything to do with the 54 being hung on us by a guy shooting 3s?

As to talent, we were two and possibly 3 guys that will be drafted in the second round, or thereabout, over the next year or 2. They were playing only 2 and had a worse PG than we did.
I'll take a split with UK every year no matter how good or bad they are. UT could could have its best team ever and still have difficulties beating UK. That's just the way it is. There is not a coach out there who can make our program as good as UK. If you want NC's and Final Four appearances every year, you may want to start rooting for UNC. It won't happen at UT.

brilliant logic. Maybe we should just drop the program. Along those lines, how did Georgetown become a national powerhouse? How on earth did UF win two titles? How did Cremins recruit like he did at GTech. How did Huggins make Cincinatti nationally competitive year in and year out? How on earth did Louisville return to prominence so quickly? What did Majerus do to build his reputation? How did Capel ever compete at OU? and on and on and on and on.......
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nice points.
 
#94
#94
We scored 60 points in our own gym. How far was that from average? If you don't like that, look at the shot totals. It was a concerted effort to slow the game and it worked.

If Meeks doesn't hit every shot that leaves his finger tips, our guys can run a fast paced offense.

You also don't seem to recognize that had meeks not been torching us, someone else would have been. That's how our D worked. They didn't even break out Patterson for the night.

If not Meeks, then who?

Do you think our sorry D had anything to do with the 54 being hung on us by a guy shooting 3s?

Yes, sorry D and coaching

As to talent, we were two and possibly 3 guys that will be drafted in the second round, or thereabout, over the next year or 2. They were playing only 2 and had a worse PG than we did.

Too much speculation here
 
#95
#95
mtt2d said:
Yeah, CBG had a huge role in Jodie Meeks 54 point performance didn't he? If Meeks scores his season avg of 24 pts, UK only scores 60 points and UT wins, 72-60. CBG slowed us down didn't he? Meeks shot the ball every time it touched his hands. How is that slowing you down? Meeks gets drafted in the NBA in the second round. Who had a lesser talented team?

I'll take a split with UK every year no matter how good or bad they are. UT could could have its best team ever and still have difficulties beating UK. That's just the way it is. There is not a coach out there who can make our program as good as UK. If you want NC's and Final Four appearances every year, you may want to start rooting for UNC. It won't happen at UT.
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Actually, I'd say you need to go root for another team...way to shoot for the stars. Let's hope we split with Kentucky every year!! WOOO HOOOO. And if you truly feel that way, then please NEVER trash talk with Kentucky because you just admitted you think we're always going to be second to Kentucky.
 
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brilliant logic. Maybe we should just drop the program. Along those lines, how did Georgetown become a national powerhouse? How on earth did UF win two titles? How did Cremins recruit like he did at GTech. How did Huggins make Cincinatti nationally competitive year in and year out? How on earth did Louisville return to prominence so quickly? What did Majerus do to build his reputation? How did Capel ever compete at OU? and on and on and on and on.......

Aside from UF, how many of these college programs have anything remotely close to the tradition UT has in football? You can't win championships in both football and basketball with the exception to Florida. Most UK, Louisville, UConn, Kansas, MSU, Memphis, Cincy, Duke, UNC, and GTech fans I know dont ever mention their football program. At least UT fans aren't scared to talk about our basketball program.

The south is SEC football country. Northeast schools know better than to run their mouth about college football. I don't see why some of you UT fans think you can run your mouth about UT basketball.

It will take two consecutive sub .500 seasons and 6 staight losses to UK for Mike Hamilton to ever consider ousting Pearl. Bash him all you want but you are just waisting your fingerstrokes. Give Pearl the chance he deserves.
 
#97
#97
VolsSportsFan said:
Actually, I'd say you need to go root for another team...way to shoot for the stars. Let's hope we split with Kentucky every year!! WOOO HOOOO. And if you truly feel that way, then please NEVER trash talk with Kentucky because you just admitted you think we're always going to be second to Kentucky.
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He's just saying that Kentucky is still the yardstick in college basketball, especially in the SEC. Splitting with them is an accomplishment, even if we occasionally have more talent.
 
#98
#98
jlovevols said:
I am very impressed with the level of negaVols comments on here. A year ago we were world beaters, and now we belong in C-USA (or maybe Pearl, rather). But I like it, shows we are never satisfied. Keep it up.
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It's not negative, it's the truth.

And in case you didn't know, Kentucky is our biggest basketball rival. Not Florida, not Memphis, Kentucky. So to get slaughtered twice in a year when they were awful is simply inexcusable. I don't care how it's been traditionally.
 
#99
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VolsSportsFan said:
Actually, I'd say you need to go root for another team...way to shoot for the stars. Let's hope we split with Kentucky every year!! WOOO HOOOO. And if you truly feel that way, then please NEVER trash talk with Kentucky because you just admitted you think we're always going to be second to Kentucky.
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UK would be more than happy to beat us one out of every two yrs in football. Its been 24 years since they beat us in ftbll.

We will never be as good as UK basketball overall. We may have a better season than them once in a while. Can you say with a straight face that UK's football program will ever be as good as UT's? Its the same comparison.
 
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