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#101
#101
VolsSportsFan said:
It's not negative, it's the truth.

And in case you didn't know, Kentucky is our biggest basketball rival. Not Florida, not Memphis, Kentucky. So to get slaughtered twice in a year when they were awful is simply inexcusable. I don't care how it's been traditionally.
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Just because it's true, doesn't mean that it's not negative. It's the spin you put on it. One could look at the overall UT-UK series and say, wow UK has beaten us more than any other school. However, you could also say, UT has beaten UK more than any other school.

Both are equally true, but one is in a negative light and the other is in a positive one. But, the fact of the matter is that besides a couple bright spots (the 70's, late 90's, and the last 4 years), UT's basketball program has been pretty abysmal. Pearl has recaptured the glory of our best years and has even exceeded them (with a couple exceptions). So, I think that gives him the benefit of the doubt before we write him off as a noisemaker who is inept at the X's & O's.
 
#102
#102
SGMVols said:
Under Fulmer, it almost was.
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All programs go through cycles. Remember UF during the Zook years.?

Anyways, as a UT fan, i would rather make it to the sweet 16 in basketball than the mucus city bowl in football.

And I would definately take a BCS bowl appearance in football over a final four appearance in basketball. That's me. I'm sure it would be the exact opposite for UK fans.
 
#103
#103
mtt2d said:
All programs go through cycles. Remember UF during the Zook years.?

Anyways, as a UT fan, i would rather make it to the sweet 16 in basketball than the mucus city bowl in football.

And I would definately take a BCS bowl appearance in football over a final four appearance in basketball. That's me. I'm sure it would be the exact opposite for UK fans.
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Good for you. Then stay in the football forum. You provide nothing of value here.
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#104
#104
I'm just thinking how the football success at Texas, Oklahoma, and Ohio State is just killing their basketball programs.
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#107
#107
mtt2d said:
We scored 60 points in our own gym. How far was that from average? If you don't like that, look at the shot totals. It was a concerted effort to slow the game and it worked.

If Meeks doesn't hit every shot that leaves his finger tips, our guys can run a fast paced offense.

You also don't seem to recognize that had meeks not been torching us, someone else would have been. That's how our D worked. They didn't even break out Patterson for the night.

If not Meeks, then who?

Do you think our sorry D had anything to do with the 54 being hung on us by a guy shooting 3s?

Yes, sorry D and coaching

As to talent, we were two and possibly 3 guys that will be drafted in the second round, or thereabout, over the next year or 2. They were playing only 2 and had a worse PG than we did.

Too much speculation here
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1. Then why have we played small ball with them for 5 straight games? Meeks didn't torch it every night.

2. Patterson has torched us, Miller looked like an all SECer against us, Perry Stevenson even looked like Shaq. We had a special way of making all of them look like first rounders.

3. Agreed.

4. You were speculating that they had more talent. I'm simply saying that's not the case. However, it will clearly be the case going forward.
 
#108
#108
mtt2d said:
brilliant logic. Maybe we should just drop the program. Along those lines, how did Georgetown become a national powerhouse? How on earth did UF win two titles? How did Cremins recruit like he did at GTech. How did Huggins make Cincinatti nationally competitive year in and year out? How on earth did Louisville return to prominence so quickly? What did Majerus do to build his reputation? How did Capel ever compete at OU? and on and on and on and on.......

Aside from UF, how many of these college programs have anything remotely close to the tradition UT has in football? You can't win championships in both football and basketball with the exception to Florida. Most UK, Louisville, UConn, Kansas, MSU, Memphis, Cincy, Duke, UNC, and GTech fans I know dont ever mention their football program. At least UT fans aren't scared to talk about our basketball program.

The south is SEC football country. Northeast schools know better than to run their mouth about college football. I don't see why some of you UT fans think you can run your mouth about UT basketball.

It will take two consecutive sub .500 seasons and 6 staight losses to UK for Mike Hamilton to ever consider ousting Pearl. Bash him all you want but you are just waisting your fingerstrokes. Give Pearl the chance he deserves.
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that's a very lame way to defend the coach.

In what way has Pearl not been given a chance?
 
#109
#109
SGMVols said:
It really hurt Florida too.
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Aside from UF, how many NC's do Texas, OU, Ohio State have in basketball? The answer is 1 and it was Ohio State in 1960. If Ramar Smith pump fakes a lay up when we played Oh. St. in the sweet 16 two years ago, UT advance to the elite 8. Don't blame Ramar's stupidity on Pearl.

And when did UF or any of these teams become powerhouses in basketball? They haven't won anything that UT hasn't, except for OSU in 1960.

I would put UT's football and basketball traditions up against any of these schools.
 
#113
#113
I'd put UT's football tradition over Florida's (they didn't win an SEC Champ. until the 90's), but I don't know anything about their bball tradition pre-90's.
 
#114
#114
jlovevols said:
I'd put UT's football tradition over Florida's (they didn't win an SEC Champ. until the 90's), but I don't know anything about their bball tradition pre-90's.
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I'd say UF has narrowed the gap to near nothing in football and the back to back titles is probably uncatchable for us in basketball.

I like to lean on UT's glory days in football too, but the reality is that most of the folks cheering hardest for the respective teams know very little of those days.
 
#115
#115
BigPapaVol said:
that's ridiculous.
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How did you some up with that conclusion? UT has beaten each of these teams historically in football and basketball.

The only teams we can't mess with in basketball are the final four contenders. These football programs are not consistent final four contenders.
 
#116
#116
hatvol96 said:
Good for you. Then stay in the football forum. You provide nothing of value here.
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Value. You are telling me what we need, i'm telling you what we have. UT can't land blue chip recuits in basketball for the same reason UK can't land 4 and 5 star recruits in basketball. That will never change. Do you think it will?
 
#117
#117
Value. You are telling me what we need, i'm telling you what we have. UT can't land blue chip recuits in basketball for the same reason UK can't land 4 and 5 star recruits in football. That will never change. You don't think it will do you?
 
#120
#120
mtt2d said:
Name one GT football player in the NFL. I'll name two, Calvin Johnson and Keith Brooking. You call that tradition?
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How many ex-Vols are in the NBA right now? I can only think of CJ Watson.

EDIT: forgot about Marcus Haislip
 
#121
#121
mtt2d said:
Aside from UF, how many NC's do Texas, OU, Ohio State have in basketball? The answer is 1 and it was Ohio State in 1960. If Ramar Smith pump fakes a lay up when we played Oh. St. in the sweet 16 two years ago, UT advance to the elite 8. Don't blame Ramar's stupidity on Pearl.
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That play wasn't Ramar's fault - he didn't have time to pump fake.
Chism was supposed to slow down on his way downcourt in the hopes that Oden would stick with him. Things went into a little disarray when the OSU player missed the FT, and Chism ran all the way to the basket and in the process drug Oden into Ramar's vicinity. Or, at least, that was Pearl's explanation on the DVD.
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#122
#122
VolsSportsFan said:
And whoever said GT fans don't mention their football program must not know many GT fans.
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Any college football team that allowed Rudy Ruettiger to cross the line of scrimage and sack their QB does not have much of an argument when it comes to football tradition.
 
#124
#124
mtt2d said:
Name one GT football player in the NFL. I'll name two, Calvin Johnson and Keith Brooking. You call that tradition?
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That's your measure for tradition?

You go to UGA/GT football game, and then get back to me. GT is still more a football school than basketball.
 
#125
#125
mtt2d said:
Any college football team that allowed Rudy Ruettiger to cross the line of scrimage and sack their QB does not have much of an argument when it comes to football tradition.
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And with that you pretty much prove how valid your analysis is.
 
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