Self-Driving Uber Kills Pedestrian

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Well, the woman that got run over was clearly an idiot or was impaired.

I'd want to know what the car did when she walked in front of it. Did it lock up the brakes or keep going?
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
That is the question being asked now. Why didn't the sensors "sense" the person and start applying the brakes?
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Maybe it was too quick even for the computer. Over time, it'll get better. There was absolutely no way a human could have reacted any faster to it.
 
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05_never_again said:
Maybe it was too quick even for the computer. Over time, it'll get better. There was absolutely no way a human could have reacted any faster to it.
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She crossed other lanes before getting to the one where she was hit so the sensors absolutely should have picked her up, even if human eyes may not have. Likely it'll end up that the victim was legally at fault and the Uber car wasn't, but still that's not a good look for Uber or their technology.

Some other cases where Uber cars have had accidents weren't technically Uber's fault but human intuition may have avoided them. That's going to be a trickier thing to work out.

I'd still trust an autonomous car more than about half the idiots with licenses though. Hell, maybe two thirds.
 
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The fact that the woman was crossing the road as if she had it all to herself was baffling. There was literally no hustle on her part. Clearly no spatial awareness either.
 
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Coug said:
The fact that the woman was crossing the road as if she had it all to herself was baffling. There was literally no hustle on her part. Clearly no spatial awareness either.
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A car in this same lane had just passed through. The vehicle is a safe distance behind that car, but not enough to cross in between. She was going left to right. She was hit in the right lane.

This lady got what she asked for. Plain and simple.
 
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tumscalcium said:
A car in this same lane had just passed through. The vehicle is a safe distance behind that car, but not enough to cross in between. She was going left to right. She was hit in the right lane.

This lady got what she asked for. Plain and simple.
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We have no idea what was going on in her mind or what circumstances contributed to her final mistake. Maybe she was distracted or drunk or mentally ill or just singing a song and not paying attention. We don't know, but it cost her her life.

Whatever the case, she was someone's family, somebody loved her, and she's gone. I don't see the advantage of just flatly calling her out for a dumb move and saying she deserved to die.

If we boil it down to that, I should have been dead dozens of times over. And I'm pretty sure I'm very much not alone in that. But for the sake of my wife and my little girls, I'm glad I haven't yet gotten what I asked for.
 
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05_never_again said:
Maybe it was too quick even for the computer. Over time, it'll get better. There was absolutely no way a human could have reacted any faster to it.
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Absolutely. The only thing a human could have done is swerved, and all that would have done is to have hit the lady with another part of the bumper/car.

The one thing that I've never trusted about the automatic driver / brake thing is intuition. With enough experiences you can a lot of times sense what the other person is going to do before they even do it. I don't know if a computer can do that while driving or not, maybe with AI in the works it will be able to over time.
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
The one thing that I've never trusted about the automatic driver / brake thing is intuition. With enough experiences you can a lot of times sense what the other person is going to do before they even do it. I don't know if a computer can do that while driving or not, maybe with AI in the works it will be able to over time.
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Solve this by going all in. Take humans out of the equation and you don't really need to anticipate human stupidity.

Look down the road 10-20 years when you aren't just using smart cars with nav systems and computers, but you start integrating the tech into highways and roads. Smart infrastructure working with smart cars could reduce accidents by 90%+.
 
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DrRosenRosen said:
Solve this by going all in. Take humans out of the equation and you don't really need to anticipate human stupidity.

Look down the road 10-20 years when you aren't just using smart cars with nav systems and computers, but you start integrating the tech into highways and roads. Smart infrastructure working with smart cars could reduce accidents by 90%+.
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Never looked at it that way, but I can see that. Vehicles could theoretically "talk" to each other. Makes sense. There has to be a failsafe so when technology fails though.
 
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For anyone that is interested the NTSB RELEASED A report on it. Looks like Uber had the automatic emergency braking disabled in the computer controlled mode to prevent erratic driving. Plus, there was no alert to the driver to perform an emergency maneuver.

That being said, the pedestrian crossed the road wearing dark clothes in an unlit area and not in a crosswalk at an area where there are signs warning pedestrians to use the crosswalk, which is 360 feet away. The bicycle also had no side reflectors, but it did have front and rear lights, but they were facing at an angle perpendicular to the driver.


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jhamilton1208 said:
For anyone that is interested the NTSB RELEASED A report on it. Looks like Uber had the automatic emergency braking disabled in the computer controlled mode to prevent erratic driving. Plus, there was no alert to the driver to perform an emergency maneuver.

That being said, the pedestrian crossed the road wearing dark clothes in an unlit area and not in a crosswalk at an area where there are signs warning pedestrians to use the crosswalk, which is 360 feet away. The bicycle also had no side reflectors, but it did have front and rear lights, but they were facing at an angle perpendicular to the driver.


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In other words a human driver would have most likely hit her has well.
 
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