Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'

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666 said:
If you'd read the article this man's entire family was arrested under Saddam's regime and he's already been abducted by insurgents before. He obviously has his own personal perspective on the situation in his home country and doesn't view President Bush's attempt at liberation as something great. Should he have thrown his shoes? No. Does he deserve a beating or death for his actions? No. I didn't vote for Obama so I don't understand why you feel need to say your last comment. His punishment should fit his crime.
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Two thigs - Thenshy did he throw the shoe? And what if it had been more than a shoe? As BP wrote, the secret service failed miserably.
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666 said:
If you'd read the article this man's entire family was arrested under Saddam's regime and he's already been abducted by insurgents before. He obviously has his own personal perspective on the situation in his home country and doesn't view President Bush's attempt at liberation as something great. Should he have thrown his shoes? No. Does he deserve a beating or death for his actions? No. I didn't vote for Obama so I don't understand why you feel need to say your last comment. His punishment should fit his crime.
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If he did that in the USA, do you think the punishment would fit the crime?

You can get life for making a threat, much less throwing an object at the POTUS.
 
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If you read about shoe thrower, he was a journalist that focused on the suffering of widows, orphans, and children in Iraq right now. His brother already said that he doesn't hate American people. He just made a rash and bizarre decision to show his distaste for Bush. As for the secret service, they did react slower than you would think. They could have and should have taken him down (and I don't mean shoot at him in a crowded room) before he was able to throw his second shoe.
 
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dan4vols said:
The fact he got a 2nd throw amazes me. What if it had been a grenade instead of a shoe?
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Take this incident at a different angle. If the secret service had shot the man, killed him, and possibly wounded or killed a few of the innocent people around him in the process would you consider their actions a success and just? Because it was just a shoe.
 
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To answer your question if that occured it would have been bad. Innocent bystanders hurt for whatever reasoning is always bad PR. In my mind though it's all about law and order, it's why the United States went into Iraq to restore order. Or in others words stability where a peace dialouge could start.
 
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So despite their slow reaction, do you think their non lethal way of ending the situation was the correct one?
 
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I wouldn't doubt that these people are heavily frisked before events like these.
 
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666 said:
Take this incident at a different angle. If the secret service had shot the man, killed him, and possibly wounded or killed a few of the innocent people around him in the process would you consider their actions a success and just? Because it was just a shoe.
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The Secret Service should have put a bullet right between his eyes. If said Secret Serviceman cannot make that shot from twenty feet then we have many questions that need answering. The fact is that Iraqis and arab fighters have shown great ingenuity in what they use as explosive devices and that could have just as easily been a bomb as an empty shoe. According to the ROE in theatre, Soldiers are to engage persons whom they feel are are threatening their life, through their actions. Had a Soldier been in the room and taken a shot at that man, I highly doubt that a 15-6 investigation would have followed.
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You attack the president, you get a shot to the head. It's simple. The secret service should have put a hole in him.
 
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dickens821 said:
You attack the president, you get a shot to the head. It's simple. The secret service should have put a hole in him.
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Shooting a man for throwing shoes on live Iraqi TV would be a wise PR move for the United States at this point.
 
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666 said:
Shooting a man for throwing shoes on live Iraqi TV would be a wise PR move for the United States at this point.
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The message that we're ok with you disgracing our president and throwing things at his is exactly the one we want broadcast.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The message that we're ok with you disgracing our president and throwing things at his is exactly the one we want broadcast.
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Well I guess we better go ahead and hang him to save face then. I'd hate to look like a wuss otherwise.
 
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666 said:
Well I guess we better go ahead and hang him to save face then. I'd hate to look like a wuss otherwise.
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Your commentary is a great display of your vast ignorance concerning Arab culture.
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666 said:
Well I guess we better go ahead and hang him to save face then. I'd hate to look like a wuss otherwise.
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I think we should exchange apologies and revert back to Jimmy Carter diplomacy. Maybe send him a bouquet and do a psych profile to determine why he's a POS as a neutral reporter.
 
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therealUT said:
Your commentary is a great display of your vast ignorance concerning Arab culture.
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Yes, they would fear our mighty American fist if we would have shot a man on live TV for throwing shoes. Everyone would praise us for our bravery and then we would have peace in the middle east.

Would you be happy if an American threw a flaming bag of crap at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he visited and his protection reacted by shooting him on the spot?
 
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666 said:
Yes, they would fear our mighty American fist if we would have shot a man on live TV for throwing shoes. Everyone would praise us for our bravery and then we would have peace in the middle east.
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The Arab world is not viewing our lack of immediate and aggressive response as just, compassionate, merciful, or as along the lines of due process. The Arab world is viewing our lack of immediate and aggressive response, in protecting our Presidents, as weakness and incompetence.

666 said:
Would you be happy if an American threw a flaming bag of crap at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he visited and his protection reacted by shooting him on the spot?
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I would not be happy, however, I would most definitely respect the response. The Arab world would also view that response as strong and just (I would view it that way as well).
 
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therealUT said:
The Arab world is not viewing our lack of immediate and aggressive response as just, compassionate, merciful, or as along the lines of due process. The Arab world is viewing our lack of immediate and aggressive response, in protecting our Presidents, as weakness and incompetence.
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You're generalizing when you say "the arab world." Only the uneducated masses view our action as weak.
therealUT said:
I would not be happy, however, I would most definitely respect the response. The Arab world would also view that response as strong and just (I would view it that way as well).
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Congrats on lowering yourself to level that you believe an attempt at an insult is worthy of death.
 
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666 said:
You're generalizing when you say "the arab world." Only the uneducated masses view our action as weak.
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I am most certainly not generalizing. I am speaking from experience with both educated Arabs and uneducated Arabs. From my experiences, I can say with supreme confidence that both groups view our inaction as weakness and incompetence.

666 said:
Congrats on lowering yourself to level that you believe an attempt at an insult is worthy of death.
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Welcome to world and the violence that has run it throughout history.
 
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westtnorangeman said:
He should be praised for having the guts to do something like that:good!:
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Really? Would you encourage people to do the same to Obama, and then have take satisfaction in the fact that someone had the guts to do it?


I mean there are many people that disagree with him as well, many who think his policies will do nothing but make the situation even more tenuous for America.

Seriously, you need to get a clue, a life, or both (my vote is both).
 
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666 said:
Get over myself? Sorry if I'm a decent human that doesn't condemn someone to death over an incident that has caused harm only to the person throwing the shoes. This man isn't a hero, but he isn't an evil arab that you are painting him. Let him have his trial. I seriously doubt any of you would be up in arms if this happened to Obama.
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If the man could hurl a shoe he could certainly hurl a deadly object just as easily. Soon after the first object is hurled the threat should be eliminated, wouldn't matter to me if it was Obama or Bush, the result should have been the same.
 
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