Shooting in El Paso

[NorthDallas40]

I'm done with this cesspool of rednecks. See you guys next time.

Come back with a new argument next time.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I'm done with this cesspool of rednecks. See you guys next time.

When you’re losing badly....

 

[hog88]

Last I checked I cant take lives more efficiently by tweeting.

Is that the standard now for constitutional rights? I can’t take lives?

Listen I understand that you don’t understand what you are advocating so I’ll help.
If you stand by and accept the elimination or even the restriction of an enumerated right those who did that are emboldened. So they take or restrict another then another and soon you are no longer a citizen, you are a subject. Subject to the whims of the governing elite.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Gun control is an issue I've always struggled with personally. I see both sides of the arguments presented. I just don't know, I've never been able to make my mind up about it.

Surely there must be a middle ground somewhere? I'm not sure what it is. Seems like no one will back down on either side, yell at each other, then forget about it until the next one happens. Rinse and repeat cycle.

I’ll never support .gov getting to say who gets to own a specific gun and who doesn’t “just in case”. We’ve already got limitations on felons but that is a consequence not a Magic 8 Ball prediction.

 

[0nelilreb]

A guns sole purpose is to take a life. That's why.

Lol its purpose is to be used by the person operating it . I have firearms that have never taken a life . I also have vehicles that haven’t .

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

It behooves a person to become familiar with a firearm for their own personal protection and that of their family.

 

[hog88]

Gun control is an issue I've always struggled with personally. I see both sides of the arguments presented. I just don't know, I've never been able to make my mind up about it.

Surely there must be a middle ground somewhere? I'm not sure what it is. Seems like no one will back down on either side, yell at each other, then forget about it until the next one happens. Rinse and repeat cycle.

You NEVER back down when someone is trying to take or restrict your rights.

 

[FLVOL_79]

He wore ear defenders? Safety..first?

 

[GAVol]

Society has determined that to be the rational and reasonable position.

...which, even if true, is a bogus argument which ignores the whole point of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

A guns sole purpose is to take a life. That's why.

If that's the sole purpose of a gun then my guns are really slacking.

 

[hog88]

...which, even if true, is a bogus argument which ignores the whole point of the Bill of Rights.

You’re a mod, let me like this more than once.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I'm not anti 2A. Assault rifles did not exist when the constitution was written. That should be accounted for. There is no need for the average homeowner to own one unless they are compensating for something else. You do not need an M16 or AK or Ar 15 to protect your family. Get over it.

Lol. The rifles people owned were the same ones they used in war smart guy. Take a gander at when the constitution was written..what other things didn't exist then which should be null and void since you are going with that terrible argument.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

 

[zeppelin128]

You NEVER back down when someone is trying to take or restrict your rights.

I get that. We've discussed this before, you know I'm fine with 2A.

I'm talking more about middle ground solutions that people could actually agree on. I don't think the government should be taking guns from people, that is a non-starter. There are far too many of them, way too many people would die over it, and it is a right to own them. I don't think restricting types will do much good either. People will always find a way to acquire something if they really want it.

Guns are embedded in our cultural identity. There is no changing that. I just wonder what people could actually agree on to try to lessen these mass shootings. They are clearly becoming a more common occurrence.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I'm sure Madcow is so sad to hear this wonderful news coming from this twitter feed.

 

[hog88]

I get that. We've discussed this before, you know I'm fine with 2A.

I'm talking more about middle ground solutions that people could actually agree on. I don't think the government should be taking guns from people, that is a non-starter. There are far too many of them, way too many people would die over it, and it is a right to own them. I don't think restricting types will do much good either. People will always find a way to acquire something if they really want it.

Guns are embedded in our cultural identity. There is no changing that. I just wonder what people could actually agree on to try to lessen these mass shootings. They are clearly becoming a more common occurrence.

There is no middle ground unless you want to start talking about locking up the mentally ill BEFORE they hurt someone.

 

[GAVol]

I just wonder what people could actually agree on to try to lessen these mass shootings. They are clearly becoming a more common occurrence.

I think it's only natural to consider what could be done. The hard part is that I don't think there really is an answer to remedy crazy.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

...which, even if true, is a bogus argument which ignores the whole point of the Bill of Rights.

 

[DynaLo]

So anti-gun folks, please tell me which of these is an "assault rifle" and why? Scary looking doesn't count...

 

[zeppelin128]

There is no middle ground unless you want to start talking about locking up the mentally ill BEFORE they hurt someone.

There is a link with the rise in mass shootings and the shuttering of mental institutions in the 70s-80s. It should definitely be part of the discussion. We have jails and prisons serving a purpose for which they were not designed after something terrible happens.

Some people need to be separated from society if they are a threat to themselves or others so they can get proper, long-term care until they are well. We don't have that infrastructure anymore.

 

[85SugarVol]

Surely there must be a middle ground somewhere? I'm not sure what it is. Seems like no one will back down on either side, yell at each other, then forget about it until the next one happens. Rinse and repeat cycle.

The hardcore protectors of the 2A are a lot like the Pro-Choice defenders in this regard.

Neither group is willing to give the smallest inch, for fear that the other side would then want to take a mile. And they’re right, in both cases.

If Progressives got a ban on AR-15 rifles tomorrow? They’d celebrate, and then keep going for more bans.

If Pro-Lifers got a ban on late term abortions tomorrow? They’d celebrate, and then keep going for more bans.

“Never, ever, ever give an inch”

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Gun control is an issue I've always struggled with personally. I see both sides of the arguments presented. I just don't know, I've never been able to make my mind up about it.

Surely there must be a middle ground somewhere? I'm not sure what it is. Seems like no one will back down on either side, yell at each other, then forget about it until the next one happens. Rinse and repeat cycle.

Charlie Daniels said it best "well they are trying to take our guns away and that would be just fine, if you take them away from the criminals first I'll gladly give you mine."

 

[zeppelin128]

The hardcore protectors of the 2A are a lot like the Pro-Choice defenders in this regard.

Neither group is willing to give the smallest inch, for fear that the other side would then want to take a mile. And they’re right, in both cases.

If Progressives got a ban on AR-15 rifles tomorrow? They’d celebrate, and then keep going for more bans.

If Pro-Lifers got a ban on late term abortions tomorrow? They’d celebrate, and then keep going for more bans.

“Never, ever, ever give an inch”

Good analogy.

 

[hog88]

There is a link with the rise in mass shootings and the shuttering of mental institutions in the 70s-80s. It should definitely be part of the discussion. We have jails and prisons serving a purpose for which they were not designed after something terrible happens.

Some people need to be separated from society if they are a threat to themselves or others so they can get proper, long-term care until they are well. We don't have that infrastructure anymore.

See this is why I like conversing with you.

I agree but I also think the mass prescriptions of depression and ADHD drugs needs to be investigated.

 

[Bigun]

Gun control is an issue I've always struggled with personally. I see both sides of the arguments presented. I just don't know, I've never been able to make my mind up about it.

Surely there must be a middle ground somewhere? I'm not sure what it is. Seems like no one will back down on either side, yell at each other, then forget about it until the next one happens. Rinse and repeat cycle.

Agree with this. I dont own a gun, but have no problem with them or people owning them.

Question I have, and I dont know the answer, is would any of the proposed legislation have stopped any of the mass shootings? Hasnt there been a stat showing most if not all mass shooters being on some sort of anti depressant med?