Shooting in Las Vegas @ Jason Aldean Concert

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K-town Vol Fan said:
Thats the point though. Just the fact that they have them. This guy was unknown to police. No criminal record. No radical political affiliation. His family his shocked and doesnt understand why. Whose to say one of your family members dont have a mental break one day like this guy obviously did and start shooting?
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If my family ever unloads on anyone it would be because they're lacking and run upon a fool like this guy.

Either he went thru the proper channels and was cleared or obtained them illegally. It is tragic, but anything can be turned into a deadly weapon when in the hands of the wrong person.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
Be interesting to see the amount of coverage of this vs the church shooting in Antioch. And I realize the scale of this is much greater and more horrific, but it also fits the narrative much better too.
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So you admit you know the scale is greater and more horrific, but you're going to chalk up more coverage to a "narrative"?

I wouldn't be calling anyone else naive if I were you.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So you admit you know the scale is greater and more horrific, but you're going to chalk up more coverage to a "narrative"?

I wouldn't be calling anyone else naive if I were you.
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So you are going to deny that the media and politicians are not going to be up in arms over gun laws in the coming days? Hopefully they prove me wrong.

50+ people are dead. Mourn them. Tell their stories. Minister to their families. Use what we know and learn about this man and others who commit awful crimes like these to improve the joke that is mental health care and social services in our country.
Pay mental health professionals in schools a salary that is competitive so we can intervene early and give them case loads that are manageable.

Most problems have many solutions. And many have none.

"As water reflects the face, so one's life reflects the heart."
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
No. Have a hand gun or 2 to protect your family, and a long rifle if you like to hunt. Thats all any civilian needs.
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I appreciate you deciding what I need. Mind if I make a few decisions about what you need?
 
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armchair said:
Mass shootings? They aren't going to stop until we crack down hard on guns and gun sales in this country. Fact. There are vast numbers of mentally unbalanced people in this country (and around the world), and if you give them easy access to guns--handguns and military style weapons--this is what you get, and this is what we've been getting for years. DUH. But conservatives kinda, really want to pretend it's not a problem because they sure do like their guns. Let's not pretend otherwise. This is not political---this is common sense.
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And there it is
 
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Freak said:
Unfortunately, I believe idiots like this guy are going to get their hands on weapons of destruction, regardless of what laws are passed.
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Exactly, and that’s what some don’t seem to understand.
 
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Everyone's arguing about gun control, but did anyone mention providing adequate treatment for the mentally ill? Instead, we're cutting programs left and right...
 
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VOLatile said:
Everyone's arguing about gun control, but did anyone mention providing adequate treatment for the mentally ill? Instead, we're cutting programs left and right...
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You're the second poster that has mentioned mental illness. Has it been reported the shooter had a history of mental illness?
 
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VOLatile said:
Everyone's arguing about gun control, but did anyone mention providing adequate treatment for the mentally ill? Instead, we're cutting programs left and right...
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I agree, if a person is suffering from a mental illness making them a danger to own a firearm they should be locked up.
 
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armchair said:
Mass shootings? They aren't going to stop until we crack down hard on guns and gun sales in this country. Fact. There are vast numbers of mentally unbalanced people in this country (and around the world), and if you give them easy access to guns--handguns and military style weapons--this is what you get, and this is what we've been getting for years. DUH. But conservatives kinda, really want to pretend it's not a problem because they sure do like their guns. Let's not pretend otherwise. This is not political---this is common sense.
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There are psychiatric and DNA-based tests we could administer to everyone to determine whether they have a propensity towards violence. We could use those test results not only to prohibit firearms ownership but for other purposes that inure to the safety of society as a whole such as gauging fitness for certain types of employment where access to dangerous material is part of the job, fitness to obtain a driver license, compulsory sterilization, etc.
 
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hog88 said:
I agree, if a person is suffering from a mental illness making them a danger to own a firearm they should be locked up.
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We used to do that. We also used to sterilize crazy people. The public lost the stomach for those practices.

FWIW, ISIS has claimed this guy and his actions. Probably not insane.
 
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Probably not in a legal sense.

Apparently the guy had quite a set up that required some technical know how and premeditation. Not to mention the skill it takes to handle an automatic weapon with any degree of accuracy. I'd say he was evil and twisted but probably not crazy.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We used to do that. We also used to sterilize crazy people. The public lost the stomach for those practices.

FWIW, ISIS has claimed this guy and his actions. Probably not insane.
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There is no evidence to support this 64 year old white guy is affiliated with ISIS. Local authorities are saying there is no **** to international terror organizations.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We used to do that. We also used to sterilize crazy people. The public lost the stomach for those practices.

FWIW, ISIS has claimed this guy and his actions. Probably not insane.
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Of course ISIS wants people to think they were responsible. So far there's no actual evidence connecting him to them though.
 
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hog88 said:
I agree, if a person is suffering from a mental illness making them a danger to own a firearm they should be locked up.
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Unfortunately there aren't many places for the mentally ill to go. To house someone in a Psych ward in Las Vegas it costs about $3k a month and NV doesn't have many places like this.

The mentally ill gets discarded really quick. Also how can you stop them from walking into wal-mart and just buying a gun and walking out?? I have zero issues with people owning as many guns as they'd like, I just wish people would be required to go through a more extensive background check. We do it for law enforcement, military, employment at some jobs...why not improve the process to help protect them from crazy people
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Unfortunately there aren't many places for the mentally ill to go. To house someone in a Psych ward in Las Vegas it costs about $3k a month and NV doesn't have many places like this.

The mentally ill gets discarded really quick. Also how can you stop them from walking into wal-mart and just buying a gun and walking out?? I have zero issues with people owning as many guns as they'd like, I just wish people would be required to go through a more extensive background check. We do it for law enforcement, military, employment at some jobs...why not improve the process to help protect them from crazy people
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Many if not most killers are not thought or known to be "crazy"--or engaged in criminal behavior--before they blow their tops. That is why we often hear what we are hearing now about this guy--completely shock and surprise that he would do this. As I've said, millions of people have mental issues of one kind or another that can simmer at low level for years --and whatever the issue may be goes undiagnosed and untreated. There are tons of people walking around with anger issues, low-to-moderate depression; people who might drink too much; people who are pissed about one thing or another or life in general. We are talking about a huge pool of people--and so even if a tiny fraction of them ultimately flip their lids and go out and easily buy guns and ammo...well, this is why we have a ton of mass shootings in America.

Conservatives and Republicans always want to frame these mass shootings as completely abnormal--just a rare crazy person: nothing can be done; it's not the guns. That's nonsense. This is COMMON in America and has been common for 20 years or longer. Everybody wrings their hands and "says prayers" and is shocked, and then nothing changes and everyone carries on until the next mass shooting in a couple of weeks. It goes to show how stupid America is nowadays--unwilling to tackle real problems. This is a serious problem with conservatives and Republicans--oh, we don't want to inconvenience the gun industry, or saddle polluters with regulations; they never want to do anything. For conservatives, nothing is really a problem, because that would mean regulation and perhaps constricting earnings a few companies for a time--and we can't have that. Better to have people dying of gun violence and health problems, right?
 
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armchair said:
Many if not most killers are not thought or known to be "crazy"--or engaged in criminal behavior--before they blow their tops. That is why we often hear what we are hearing now about this guy--completely shock and surprise that he would do this. As I've said, millions of people have mental issues of one kind or another that can simmer at low level for years --and whatever the issue may be goes undiagnosed and untreated. There are tons of people walking around with anger issues, low-to-moderate depression; people who might drink too much; people who are pissed about one thing or another or life in general. We are talking about a huge pool of people--and so even if a tiny fraction of them ultimately flip their lids and go out and easily buy guns and ammo...well, this is why we have a ton of mass shootings in America.

Conservatives and Republicans always want to frame these mass shootings as completely abnormal--just a rare crazy person: nothing can be done; it's not the guns. That's nonsense. This is COMMON in America and has been common for 20 years or longer. Everybody wrings their hands and "says prayers" and is shocked, and then nothing changes and everyone carries on until the next mass shooting in a couple of weeks. It goes to show how stupid America is nowadays--unwilling to tackle real problems. This is a serious problem with conservatives and Republicans--oh, we don't want to inconvenience the gun industry, or saddle polluters with regulations; they never want to do anything. For conservatives, nothing is really a problem, because that would mean regulation and perhaps constricting earnings a few companies for a time--and we can't have that. Better to have people dying of gun violence and health problems, right?
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So what's your solution?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Unfortunately there aren't many places for the mentally ill to go. To house someone in a Psych ward in Las Vegas it costs about $3k a month and NV doesn't have many places like this.

The mentally ill gets discarded really quick. Also how can you stop them from walking into wal-mart and just buying a gun and walking out?? I have zero issues with people owning as many guns as they'd like, I just wish people would be required to go through a more extensive background check. We do it for law enforcement, military, employment at some jobs...why not improve the process to help protect them from crazy people
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How much more of an extensive BGC? It's pretty extensive now but with HIPPA laws there are some holes.
 
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I don't know if gun control is the answer, but I do know that "gun control is not the answer" is definitely NOT the answer.
 
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