Shooting in Las Vegas @ Jason Aldean Concert

I will grant you contextual semantics of the time in which it was written. However there is still a good bit of conjecture at the end of the that definition as to the intent of how the amendment was written.

I could just as easily apply that definition, to calibrate and maintain proper working order, to mean oversight is necessary when things start getting out of order such as mass shooting happening on an almost daily bases.

Isn't the time it was written the only time that matters if you're trying to interpret meaning?

Oversight of the militia or of guns? Those are two different things.

The second amendment has been around for many years. People can always make the case that it needs to be adapted to fit modern society (which is a different argument), but I don't believe it's been misinterpreted and only granted gun ownership to those in a militia, nor do I believe 'well regulated militia' has anything to do with gun regulations.

The militia needs to be well regulated. Separately, gun ownership was granted to all citizens, not only those in a militia.

I mean, it's been very clear for 200+ years what the second amendment means. Now, suddenly, we're questioning what it REALLY means? Personally, I can't buy into that.
 
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Isn't the time it was written the only time that matters if you're trying to interpret meaning?

Oversight of the militia or of guns? Those are two different things.

The second amendment has been around for many years. People can always make the case that it needs to be adapted to fit modern society (which is a different argument), but I don't believe it's been misinterpreted and only granted gun ownership to those in a militia, nor do I believe 'well regulated militia' has anything to do with gun regulations.

The militia needs to be well regulated. Separately, gun ownership was granted to all citizens, not only those in a militia.

I mean, it's been very clear for 200+ years what the second amendment means. Now, suddenly, we're questioning what it REALLY means? Personally, I can't buy into that.

The Anti-gun crowd has tried to change the meaning for years and finally most have shifted to the, "We need to adapt it to modern times" now.
 
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DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER: 2008

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
 
If it hasn't been mentioned, I would like to thank our boys and girls in blue that peruse this forum. Even though you get a lot of flak, many of us do appreciate the job you folks do day in and day out.
 
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And actually, that goes to all our valiant first responders. Fire, medical and LEO alike. Your efforts and often untold accomplishments are truly heroic for the rest of us.
 
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And actually, that goes to all our valiant first responders. Fire, medical and LEO alike. Your efforts and often untold accomplishments are truly heroic for the rest of us.

Absolutely.
 
How some don’t understand this amazes me.
 

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And actually, that goes to all our valiant first responders. Fire, medical and LEO alike. Your efforts and often untold accomplishments are truly heroic for the rest of us.

Without a doubt! I went off on a co worker yesterday that was slamming LVPD for taking 70 minutes to find the shooter. It's not like he was walking around in the damn crowd. To his credit and I hate to say it that way but he had a great tactical advantage and if it wasn't for the smoke detectors going off he would have went much longer.
 
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."
 
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So I haven't read through this but is anyone in this thread discussing the alarming unlikelihood of the official story? I have seen footage of a shooter on the ground, with the people at the concert, opening fire. Not a photoshopped image - video footage, and it's horrifying. Have any news outlets discussed this?
 
So I haven't read through this but is anyone in this thread discussing the alarming unlikelihood of the official story? I have seen footage of a shooter on the ground, with the people at the concert, opening fire. Not a photoshopped image - video footage, and it's horrifying. Have any news outlets discussed this?
Where did you see this?
 
Where did you see this?

It was sent to me on Facebook by someone. It's an odd video - I'm trying to find the original but it is video of a video. The individual in the video points out where the shooter will appear in the video. I'll attach screenshots, video if I can.
 

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It was sent to me on Facebook by someone. It's an odd video - I'm trying to find the original but it is video of a video. The individual in the video points out where the shooter will appear in the video. I'll attach screenshots, video if I can.

This is more likely, the wounds I’ve heard of came from a flat plane the victim was on, not angled from anhigher point, most likely more than 1 terrorist(this is terror, inflicted by a terrorist, not just one particular race)
 
And the 2 broken windows were probably to aid in ventilation for the shooter on the 32nd floor could you imagine how smoky and dusty it would get firing that much in an enclosed space? Ever seen video footage of a shooting in a small store where the burnt powder clouds the area pretty quickly, and toxic gases would be too much to handle.
 
The video has been removed. I still have it loaded on my phone but cannot screen record the video without jail breaking my iPhone. I recorded it with my other phone in case this video disappears forever, but it's a video of a video of a video lol. Probably too large to post...
 
So I haven't read through this but is anyone in this thread discussing the alarming unlikelihood of the official story? I have seen footage of a shooter on the ground, with the people at the concert, opening fire. Not a photoshopped image - video footage, and it's horrifying. Have any news outlets discussed this?

This is more likely, the wounds I’ve heard of came from a flat plane the victim was on, not angled from anhigher point, most likely more than 1 terrorist(this is terror, inflicted by a terrorist, not just one particular race)

If there are any verified and vettable sources for confirmation of this it would be very interesting. In this age where conspiracy theory is anywhere from a hobby to a religion with some I take my time in assessing the veracity of such claims these days.
 
I had to shorten it in order to be able to upload it; sorry it's turned sideways.
 

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The video has been removed. I still have it loaded on my phone but cannot screen record the video without jail breaking my iPhone. I recorded it with my other phone in case this video disappears forever, but it's a video of a video of a video lol. Probably too large to post...

No ios11? 😬
 

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