Should the government introduce price controls on necessary goods?

1.) Food Items 2.) Fuel 3.) Utilities 4.) Housing 5.) Labor

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#26
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volinbham said:
All systems are "just us". Virtually no one claims pure capitalism is a "perfect economic policy". Rather, most proponents see it as the best match given human nature and concepts such as natural selection. Likewise, most proponents recognize that we don't have pure capitalism and don't advocate for pure capitalism.
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And yet here I stand staring at a thread dedicated to praising pure-capitalism, and condemning any government influence on price caps. :wink2:

I thought that the basic of society and culture was to move beyond human culture. That sounds like the naturalistic fallacy at work. Our concepts of fairness and justice (though perhaps evolutionary in origin) stand in stark contrast to the evolutionary concepts that you mention in connection with capitalism. Sometimes there are things more important than profiting as much as possible, and this is even ignoring the arguments that in capitalism you may not profit as much as possible.
 
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turambar85 said:
And yet here I stand staring at a thread dedicated to praising pure-capitalism, and condemning any government influence on price caps. :wink2:

I thought that the basic of society and culture was to move beyond human culture. That sounds like the naturalistic fallacy at work. Our concepts of fairness and justice (though perhaps evolutionary in origin) stand in stark contrast to the evolutionary concepts that you mention in connection with capitalism. Sometimes there are things more important than profiting as much as possible, and this is even ignoring the arguments that in capitalism you may not profit as much as possible.
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Amen brother!

We are a collective that shuled be ruled by a central government of politicians who are appointed to power for life!

:banghead2:
 
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turambar85 said:
And yet here I stand staring at a thread dedicated to praising pure-capitalism, and condemning any government influence on price caps. :wink2:

I thought that the basic of society and culture was to move beyond human culture. That sounds like the naturalistic fallacy at work. Our concepts of fairness and justice (though perhaps evolutionary in origin) stand in stark contrast to the evolutionary concepts that you mention in connection with capitalism. Sometimes there are things more important than profiting as much as possible, and this is even ignoring the arguments that in capitalism you may not profit as much as possible.
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i'll bet you $100 you've never had a real job. . . never had to meet a payroll, etc etc.
 
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turambar85 said:
And yet here I stand staring at a thread dedicated to praising pure-capitalism, and condemning any government influence on price caps. :wink2:

Read closer.

I thought that the basic of society and culture was to move beyond human culture. That sounds like the naturalistic fallacy at work.

I assume you mean move beyond human nature. I'm not embracing the naturalistic fallacy. However, we cannot simply ignore human drives. Also, I wouldn't say that the "basic of society and culture" is to move beyond human nature. Rather, it is part of human nature.


Our concepts of fairness and justice (though perhaps evolutionary in origin) stand in stark contrast to the evolutionary concepts that you mention in connection with capitalism. Sometimes there are things more important than profiting as much as possible, and this is even ignoring the arguments that in capitalism you may not profit as much as possible.
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Capitalism doesn't require people attempt to profit as much as possible. It's a strawman to portray Capitalism as simply a system for people to explore their greed.
 
#33
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volinbham said:
Capitalism doesn't require people attempt to profit as much as possible. It's a strawman to portray Capitalism as simply a system for people to explore their greed.
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the problem is this often repeated falacy that capitalism is a zero sum game, i.e. one man wins others lose.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
US Capitalism = The greatest country in the history of the world!

So, so, horrible!
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anyone who has travelled to eastern europe might want to realize that the average person there lives worse than people here on public assistance. i don't think that is just due to our ample natural resources.
 
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volinbham said:
Capitalism doesn't require people attempt to profit as much as possible. It's a strawman to portray Capitalism as simply a system for people to explore their greed.
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Capitalism is based on the free-market. Business is based on getting as much money as possible. It isn't that capitalism is explicitly about greed, but that it is a consequence of that system applied to us.
 
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turambar85 said:
Capitalism is based on the free-market. Business is based on getting as much money as possible. It isn't that capitalism is explicitly about greed, but that it is a consequence of that system applied to us.
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part of making as much money as possible is making your workers as productive and happy as possible.
 
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turambar85 said:
Capitalism is based on the free-market. Business is based on getting as much money as possible. It isn't that capitalism is explicitly about greed, but that it is a consequence of that system applied to us.
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Amen brother!

We need more government control!

Government is the only answer!

Government cured poverty!

Government cured greed!

Government cured equality!

Goverment cured racism!

:banghead2:
 
#38
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turambar85 said:
Capitalism is based on the free-market. Business is based on getting as much money as possible. It isn't that capitalism is explicitly about greed, but that it is a consequence of that system applied to us.
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Well this answer explains quite a bit about your understanding of capitalism.

Business is not based on getting as much money as possible. Some have that as a goal but that is not the essence of capitalism.
 
#39
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volinbham said:
Well this answer explains quite a bit about your understanding of capitalism.

Business is not based on getting as much money as possible. Some have that as a goal but that is not the essence of capitalism.
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Sigh, I already said it is not the essence of capitalism, but it is a consequence of it. Business is about making money - it has no other natural goal.
 
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turambar85 said:
Sigh, I already said it is not the essence of capitalism, but it is a consequence of it. Business is about making money - it has no other natural goal.
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Now you are to business is about making money rather than as much as possible. This is an important difference.

However, making money is not the core issue. Capitalism (and business) is at it's core about a system of exchange. Not-for-profits and non-profits still benefit from capitalism. Their "natural goal" is not to make money - it is to achieve some exchange among a group of constituents in an efficient manner.
 
#42
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turambar85 said:
Sigh, I already said it is not the essence of capitalism, but it is a consequence of it. Business is about making money - it has no other natural goal.
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Amen brother!

Capitalism is more evil than Satan!

The only solution is for bureaucrats to tell us what to do with our earnings!

That way every thing in the collective will be fair!
 
#43
#43
utvolpj said:
have you ever met a Philosophy major who has?
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I don't even know what that means. Ignoring all of the professors and graduate students who have been marines, who have worked construction, and who have supported their schooling by waiting tables, I'm still not sure what you're talking about.

And, btw, what the hell is a real job?
 
#44
#44
turambar85 said:
I don't even know what that means. Ignoring all of the professors and graduate students who have been marines, who have worked construction, and who have supported their schooling by waiting tables, I'm still not sure what you're talking about.

And, btw, what the hell is a real job?
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You'll find out one day!

:)
 
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droski said:
generally speaking it means getting paid by someone other than the government or a university.
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Well, I have done general construction work. I have waited tables. I managed Subway for a few months before I got tired of not getting a store, working across Knoxville, and getting less than 500 a week for 6 days and 55 hours a week of work. And, now I work at Subway as a regular employee while studying for the G.R.E and getting ready to apply to graduate school. Most of my life I have had a job, and so has every other philosophy major I have known. So, that is why I asked what real job meant. If it only meant working for pay outside of school, it would have been blatantly false, so I asked.
 
#48
#48
Turambar - I recommend you take some business courses. It might modify your perception of what capitalism really is as an economic system and your notion that by operating with a capitalistic system we:

1. Under achieved as a nation since our founding and
2. Our "current situation" is simply a result of capitalism along with the corollary that using the government to further restrict capitalism is the best solution to the current "problems" and reaching our national potential.
 
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turambar85 said:
Well, I have done general construction work. I have waited tables. I managed Subway for a few months before I got tired of not getting a store, working across Knoxville, and getting less than 500 a week for 6 days and 55 hours a week of work. And, now I work at Subway as a regular employee while studying for the G.R.E and getting ready to apply to graduate school. Most of my life I have had a job, and so has every other philosophy major I have known. So, that is why I asked what real job meant. If it only meant working for pay outside of school, it would have been blatantly false, so I asked.
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I think you will find your view of the world change considerably if you ever work full time, get a job, have a family, and have real obligations.
 
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droski said:
I think you will find your view of the world change considerably if you ever work full time, get a job, have a family, and have real obligations.
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I have worked full-time, do work full-time, am married, etc. What responsibilities are left? Are the barren and impotent not capable of being adults? Do I have to have a kid?
 
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