Should the Senate Allow Witnesses Be Called During the Impeachment Trial?

Should the Senate Call Witnesses to Testify During the Impeachment Trial?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 31 51.7%

  • No.

    Votes: 29 48.3%
  • Total voters
    60
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37L1 said:
No need to read your reply again because it has no substance in regards to supporting your assertions that the President has committed treasonous acts and, if he has done that along with criminal acts, why they aren't in the articles of impeachment.

That's the real issue here, not the, "I'm on my cell look it up for yourself" BS.

You make yourself the issue by refusing to back your BS up. Your credibility is taking a hit and rightfully so.

We get it. You don't like Trump but you should admit it's your feelz simply because you can't put into words that which supports what you try to pass off as fact.
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You did not respond to the point I made. If Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank, is that not a reasonably real concern? I am establishing motive. Can you reply with other than personal attacks expressed with middle school comments? Well, can you? You asked me to spoon feed your information because you are too lazy to keep yourself informed and blame me like a big baby if I have better things to do. The reality is you do not want the information you are whining for me to provide. You just ignore it and cling to your ignorance. Everybody can see you doing it. You are nothing but a bad waste of my time.
 
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Vol Main said:
You did not respond to the point I made. If Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank, is that not a reasonably real concern? I am establishing motive. Can you reply with other than personal attacks expressed with middle school comments? Well, can you? You asked me to spoon feed your information because you are too lazy to keep yourself informed and blame me like a big baby if I have better things to do. The reality is you do not want the information you are whining for me to provide. You just ignore it and cling to your ignorance. Everybody can see you doing it. You are nothing but a bad waste of my time.
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Just provide instead of blaming me for asking you to do so. Instead you go off on something other than what you posted and were asked to back up with some resemblance of proof. I don't give a RA about motive. Motive doesn't matter if you cannot even show there was a treasonous act in the first place.

WTF is wrong with you, besides being a fabricator of labels to express your feeeeeeeelings?
 
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37L1 said:
Just provide instead of blaming me for asking you to do so. Instead you go off on something other than what you posted and were asked to back up with some resemblance of proof. I don't give a RA about motive. Motive doesn't matter if you cannot even show there was a treasonous act in the first place.

WTF is wrong with you, besides being a fabricator of labels to express your feeeeeeeelings?
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You asked for it and now you reply by dismissing my post. Why don't you answer the question? But you did, by saying that you do not care if Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank. Will everybody please remember this, so 37 can't cry me into repeating it twenty times? He does not care if the President of the United States is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank.
 
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Vol Main said:
You did not respond to the point I made. If Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank, is that not a reasonably real concern? I am establishing motive. Can you reply with other than personal attacks expressed with middle school comments? Well, can you? You asked me to spoon feed your information because you are too lazy to keep yourself informed and blame me like a big baby if I have better things to do. The reality is you do not want the information you are whining for me to provide. You just ignore it and cling to your ignorance. Everybody can see you doing it. You are nothing but a bad waste of my time.
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Your point you think you "made" was added to your original post 10 minutes after you posted the original that I responded to. I had no reason to go back and read it to see, if by some unknown reason, you decided to add to it.

Nice trick though, to make it look like we are the ones being unresponsive. You a wannabe magician or what?

As to your assertion that "Trump is indebted to Russian banks" is that proof of a treasonous act or proof of anything at all? Is it really a fact in the first place? Not that that had anything to do with proof of treason or a crime. I'd call it a straw man or a red herring but that would be giving you too much credit. Vaguely tangential is about the best I could give you on that one.

Still waiting for those articles of impeachment that delineates Trump's, according to you, "treasonous acts", what they were and when they occurred.

I have this strange feeling that we will all be waiting for quite some time based on your non-responses so far.
 
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Vol Main said:
You asked for it and now you reply by dismissing my post. Why don't you answer the question? But you did, by saying that you do not care if Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank. Will everybody please remember this, so 37 can't cry me into repeating it twenty times? He does not care if the President of the United States is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank.
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Where's the treason? Where's the crime? Where are these charges in the articles of impeachment?

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37 is on record stating that he does not care about Trump's potential motive for kow towing to Vladimir Putin. Those who do care might be interested to know that the Deutsche Bank executive responsible for managing Trump's loans died by hanging November 19, 2019. His name was Thomas Bowers. You can use a search engine for more details.

A ton of information about Trump's strangely approved loans from Deutsche Bank is available. ProPublica gives some background if you put it into a search engine with Trump Deutsche bank loans. There is much more, but let's take one article at a time.
 
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37L1 said:
WTF is wrong with you, besides being a fabricator of labels to express your feeeeeeeelings?
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You keep trying to make me the issue, but I am not the issue. Your opinions about my feelings do not change the facts.

First, let's establish motive, means, and opportunity. Might you be able to hold your fudge? You say you don't care, but you are not the only member posting in this forum.
 
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Vol Main said:
You keep trying to make me the issue, but I am not the issue. Your opinion about my feelings do not change the facts.

First, let's establish motive, means, and opportunity. Might you be able to hold your fudge? You say you don't care, but you are not the only member posting in this forum.
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You are right you aren't the issue and I am not making you the issue, I'm making your inability to prove criminal acts such as treason, the issue. You keep trying to deflect from proving that those crimes have occurred and why, if they have indeed occurred, they aren't in the articles of impeachment.
How about starting with provable elements of a crime, such as, I don't know, let say, your label of treason? When did they occur, who were witnesses, where did they occur, how and what did it involve? Then you can go into motives, means and opportunity to assess guilt.

Just because I have guns (means), and I can barely tolerate your inane posts (motive) and can track you down (opportunity) doesn't mean I have committed murder (crime).
 
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37L1 said:
Just because I have guns (means), and I can barely tolerate your inane posts (motive) and can track you down (opportunity) doesn't mean I have committed murder (crime).
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No, your stating the above does not mean that you have committed.murder. It means that you implied that threat. Again, you are wasting everyone's time, desperately trying to divert attention from the facts about this topic.
 
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Vol Main said:
No, your stating the above does not mean that you have committed.murder. It means that you implied that threat. Again, you are wasting everyone's time, desperately trying to divert attention from the facts about this topic.
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What are the facts?

Please show me the facts that Trump committed treason as you claim.

Then explain why he isn't charged for such a crime in the articles of impeachment.

That's as simple as I can make it for you, Simon.
 
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Well, man with guns who can track me, I think a concenscus of agreement exists that Trump's foreign policy has severely damaged long valued American alliances, that it has repeatedly served the interests of Russia and disserved the interests of the United States. One might chalk that up to ignorant buffoonery, but numerous intelligence professionals assert that Trump is compromised and behaving like a foreign agent. For such a serious allegation, I think it prudent to examine motive before proceeding to such an alarming conclusion. The information is available to you, in public domain, but you appear to be unaware of it. So why do you keep harassing me when I am responding to your demand for information? There is a lot of it, so I think it necessary to start somewhere near the beginning. How many times will you need me to explain this to you before you get it? Twenty? Fifty?
 
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Vol Main said:
Yourself?

Let's start with Trump's largest bankruptcy. From memory, wasn't it six hundred million dollars of mostly borrowed money? Afterward, weren't there no American banks willing to loan money to Trump? Didn't he then go-to a German bank for loans which were underwritten by a Russian government owned bank? If the answers are all yes, wouldn't you agree that Trump is heavily indebted to Russia? Some might say owned by Russia. Would that not reasonably be a real concern to you?
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That’s a stretch. Wonder why Trump has went against a Russian interests multiple times if that is the case
 
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Vol Main said:
Well, man with guns who can track me, I think a concenscus of agreement exists that Trump's foreign policy has severely damaged long valued American alliances, that it has repeatedly served the interests of Russia and disserved the interests of the United States. One might chalk that up to ignorant buffoonery, but numerous intelligence professionals assert that Trump is compromised and behaving like a foreign agent. For such a serious allegation, I think it prudent to examine motive before proceeding to such an alarming conclusion. The information is available to you, in public domain, but you appear to be unaware of it. So why do you keep harassing me when I am responding to your demand for information? There is a lot of it, so I think it necessary to start somewhere near the beginning. How many times will you need me to explain this to you before you get it? Twenty? Fifty?
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Any examples or is this all emotion?
 
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Vol Main said:
You asked for it and now you reply by dismissing my post. Why don't you answer the question? But you did, by saying that you do not care if Donald Trump is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank. Will everybody please remember this, so 37 can't cry me into repeating it twenty times? He does not care if the President of the United States is heavily indebted to a Russian state owned bank.
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Bro..Mueller report came and went like a male democrat queef in the wind..that Russian hoax stuff is over.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
That’s a stretch. Wonder why Trump has went against a Russian interests multiple times if that is the case
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That is a good question. I think the number of successes Trump has given Russia far outweigh the times he went against them. If you look at sanctions against Russia and Russians, Trump has undermined them, but he went along with them when even the Senate passed them with a vote count that would over ride a veto.
 
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Vol Main said:
Well, man with guns who can track me, I think a concenscus of agreement exists that Trump's foreign policy has severely damaged long valued American alliances, that it has repeatedly served the interests of Russia and disserved the interests of the United States. One might chalk that up to ignorant buffoonery, but numerous intelligence professionals assert that Trump is compromised and behaving like a foreign agent. For such a serious allegation, I think it prudent to examine motive before proceeding to such an alarming conclusion. The information is available to you, in public domain, but you appear to be unaware of it. So why do you keep harassing me when I am responding to your demand for information? There is a lot of it, so I think it necessary to start somewhere near the beginning. How many times will you need me to explain this to you before you get it? Twenty? Fifty?
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Wow. I guess my using your "motive, means and opportunity" example got under your skin a bit. Don't worry it was just an exercise to impress upon you that you didn't know the difference between committing a crime and those elements needed to get a conviction for committing a crime. Like most of your stuff, you got it bassackwards or put the cart before the horse because you wanted it so much to be that way. That's what feelings do, you know?

This is the first time since 10:05 AM, when I first challenged you to provide evidence in regards to your label of Trump's "treason", that you have provided anything that even remotely resembles justification for your label. Until now it's just been dodge, song and a dance, deflection, straw man, red herring, "I'm on my cell, look it up for yourself" tomfoolery.

Let's look at what you provided as evidence of treason.

What have you listed that can be charged as a crime, let alone the crime of treason?

Crickets.

What have you listed that the House investigated and included in their articles of impeachment? Even though the information is available to them, in the public domain, but they appear to be unaware of it.

Crickets.

That should have given you a clue right there but you go on, clueless.

Perhaps you would be better served to research the legal definition of "treason" and then reexamine what you regard as proof of the elements of that crime. It might change your attitude and make it less about your feelings regarding the President and more about provable facts.

But I highly doubt it.
 
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Vol Main said:
Why are you ignoring the example I gave and asking me for examples? I am spending post after post replying to exactly that kind of bullsh!t.
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Those aren’t examples those are hyperbole. Your feelings are not facts.
 
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