SI re UT Bubble

#26
#26
volnpowell said:
While I lean towards it not being a bad loss, you also have to look at when they lost to us. We were a bad team then.
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Right, because we had bead Florida earlier in the month and added one of our best players in Stokes.

Oh yeah, and UConn was only favored by 2.5!
 
#28
#28
TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
The NIT is a clear step below the NCAA tourney in every facet. I don't think playing scrappy mid-majors and underachieving power conference teams does us any good.
Especially when comparing it to a game of national implications, that will be a national TV game. We will undoubtedly be an underdog in every game we play in the NCAA T (if we get the invite) But just being there and playing that one game would be so so much better than any other option
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Not sure about UT definately being an underdog in every game. If they get a 12 seed and get a slumping 5 seed they could easy be perceived as favorites.
 
#29
#29
zansdad said:
Not sure about UT definately being an underdog in every game. If they get a 12 seed and get a slumping 5 seed they could easy be perceived as favorites.
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I've been thinking that same thing.

Not that they'd match us with Florida, but who would be favored in that game?
 
#31
#31
ZZ13 said:
As a NCAA hoops fan there is nothing as fun as doing the NCAA tournament strut for the 4-5 days from selection Sunday until your team's first game. I'll take that 4-5 day high, even with a first round loss, over a NIT deep run every time.
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To an irrational person that makes perfect sense and by definition most fans are exactly that. I find it interesting though not at all surprising everyone looks at my stance like I have 3 heads yet not a single one of you can say it is wrong you just don't like it. You would rather take what will be an almost guaranteed loss in the first round than get an almost guaranteed extended run (aka more practices and experience) in the NIT. All of this so you can tell your pals we made the dance...that is moronic.

That is like saying you'd rather be caught in a big jewelry heist than get away robbing a liquor store. You made the front page in jail being bubbas b--ch. I am at home with my 243 dollars and a case of MD20/20. My life sucks but I live to rob another day you are just sucking...literally.

On a serious note. I am not a coach and neither am I the type of person who wears blinders. Because of that I can take the long view. Everyone wants immediate turnarounds because they fear rebuilding because when you are rebuilding you are that guy everyone chuckles at around the water cooler. People never really think about the fact that fast turnarounds are usually the products of flukey luck or cheating so rarely last. i refer we build an actual program which is what CDD and CCM are both doing.

Remember this all and also remember who hired both of them and everyone that hated on them both when they were hired. You can disagree with me but what I am saying is not in any way crazy. If you have a fighter that has potential but lacks polish you don't throw him in title matches day 1 you work him u the ranks till he is ready else you risk ruining him.

This is not a choice in BB your record determines your destiny but we are in one of those weird crossroads where it could go either way...you guys want to send us to a beatdown because it makes you feel better we showed up. I want us to get more polish and come back to the big dance next season when we are ready.. which of those sounds stupid?
 
#32
#32
Very short response...

Anything can happen in NCAA or NIT. You don't know well lose order round, just like you don't know well make a run in the NIT.

Every coach will tell you, you ALWAYS take the NCAA. You don think twice.
 
#33
#33
pimo1 said:
To an irrational person that makes perfect sense and by definition most fans are exactly that. I find it interesting though not at all surprising everyone looks at my stance like I have 3 heads yet not a single one of you can say it is wrong you just don't like it. You would rather take what will be an almost guaranteed loss in the first round than get an almost guaranteed extended run (aka more practices and experience) in the NIT. All of this so you can tell your pals we made the dance...that is moronic.

That is like saying you'd rather be caught in a big jewelry heist than get away robbing a liquor store. You made the front page in jail being bubbas b--ch. I am at home with my 243 dollars and a case of MD20/20. My life sucks but I live to rob another day you are just sucking...literally.

On a serious note. I am not a coach and neither am I the type of person who wears blinders. Because of that I can take the long view. Everyone wants immediate turnarounds because they fear rebuilding because when you are rebuilding you are that guy everyone chuckles at around the water cooler. People never really think about the fact that fast turnarounds are usually the products of flukey luck or cheating so rarely last. i refer we build an actual program which is what CDD and CCM are both doing.

Remember this all and also remember who hired both of them and everyone that hated on them both when they were hired. You can disagree with me but what I am saying is not in any way crazy. If you have a fighter that has potential but lacks polish you don't throw him in title matches day 1 you work him u the ranks till he is ready else you risk ruining him.

This is not a choice in BB your record determines your destiny but we are in one of those weird crossroads where it could go either way...you guys want to send us to a beatdown because it makes you feel better we showed up. I want us to get more polish and come back to the big dance next season when we are ready.. which of those sounds stupid?
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Getting to the NCAAT is better. Period. We get a chance to play a better team than we ever would in the NIT, and could very plausibly make a run. We're playing very well, and if we hit the right matchups along the way, we could go a long way. Yes, there's a risk there that we'd only play 1 game, but risks aren't always a bad thing.
 
#34
#34
His reasoning is sad...

It makes it seem he rather take the easy way in life rather than the tougher road, but yet the tougher road has a much better opportunity.
 
#35
#35
Making the NCAA has bigger and better long term effect from a recruiting, exposure, financial and experience standpoint. Playing a bunch of scrubs vs playing a top team in the country isn't even debatable and you act as if it's the other way. I'll look at you like you have three heads and then say you are wrong. You want to build a program? Go to the NCAA. You want to remain in a more difficult situation? Go to the NIT. And while teams like Murray State and VCU are reminding your recruits you didnt make the dance and they did, I'll tell my recruits I at least made the damn tournament while you probably didn't even get showcases on ESPN3.
 
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#36
#36
iVol4Life said:
I'd love to come in as a 12 and make some noise.
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In a perfect world if UT does make the tourney, I would love to make it to the 11 seed line. That would give them a 6 seed in round 1, and they would also be on the opposite side of the bracket from the #1 seed. I just think that will be too much ground to cover. Way more likely they get a 12 or 13 if they do manage to get in. ( this is assuming they don't win the SECt, winning the tourney could push them up to an 11 seed).
 
#39
#39
pimo1 said:
To an irrational person that makes perfect sense and by definition most fans are exactly that. I find it interesting though not at all surprising everyone looks at my stance like I have 3 heads yet not a single one of you can say it is wrong you just don't like it. You would rather take what will be an almost guaranteed loss in the first round than get an almost guaranteed extended run (aka more practices and experience) in the NIT. All of this so you can tell your pals we made the dance...that is moronic.

That is like saying you'd rather be caught in a big jewelry heist than get away robbing a liquor store. You made the front page in jail being bubbas b--ch. I am at home with my 243 dollars and a case of MD20/20. My life sucks but I live to rob another day you are just sucking...literally.

On a serious note. I am not a coach and neither am I the type of person who wears blinders. Because of that I can take the long view. Everyone wants immediate turnarounds because they fear rebuilding because when you are rebuilding you are that guy everyone chuckles at around the water cooler. People never really think about the fact that fast turnarounds are usually the products of flukey luck or cheating so rarely last. i refer we build an actual program which is what CDD and CCM are both doing.

Remember this all and also remember who hired both of them and everyone that hated on them both when they were hired. You can disagree with me but what I am saying is not in any way crazy. If you have a fighter that has potential but lacks polish you don't throw him in title matches day 1 you work him u the ranks till he is ready else you risk ruining him.

This is not a choice in BB your record determines your destiny but we are in one of those weird crossroads where it could go either way...you guys want to send us to a beatdown because it makes you feel better we showed up. I want us to get more polish and come back to the big dance next season when we are ready.. which of those sounds stupid?
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Playing extra games in the NIT doesn't really translate to success the next season. SoCar won it back to back in 2005 and 2006. That in and of itself argues against the value of playing in the NIT, and now look at their program. Also, Bama played in the NIT finals last year, I don't see them being appreciably better than they were last year. You can go down this list of NIT champs and it's a who's who of also rans sprinkled with powerhouse schools slumming it for one year.

Playing a single game in the NCAA's is far more valuable than playing 2 or 3 in the NIT. In the NCAA's the team is playing for something. It's real and solid and all the programs crave it. Once your in anything is possible and playing in that environment is invaluable. Playing in the NIT is just a few game more on the season and if you win them all no one really cares. A few extra days of practice you might get in the NIT cannot outweigh the experience you get in one NCAA tourney game. These kids get plenty of practice anyway and this team will go over to Europe (I believe) and play in the summer.
 
#40
#40
zansdad said:
Not sure about UT definately being an underdog in every game. If they get a 12 seed and get a slumping 5 seed they could easy be perceived as favorites.
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Whoever draws UT in the NCAAT will have the right to moan about it...It always sucks to lose to a lower seed.
 
#41
#41
bleedingTNorange said:
His reasoning is sad...

It makes it seem he rather take the easy way in life rather than the tougher road, but yet the tougher road has a much better opportunity.
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Wrong . Taking the tougher road makes perfect sense if you have at least a chance making it around the other side of the mountain. We are not a team with any realistic hope at advancing down that harder road. That sucks to have to say but it is the truth.

A person that takes the harder road knowing he isn't gonna finish the trip is a fool if there is another way around the mountain. If I honestly think this was a team that would stand a chance against a 3 or 4 seed which is the best case scenario for us in the first round I would be all in. I however do not.

Our guards cannot consistently get the ball into the post where the true strength of our team lies. I would much rather they get maybe 1 or 2 extra games in a tournament atmosphere to develop more going into next season when we will be a legit NCAA tourney team wit a chance to dance into at least the sweet 16.

So yeah I would rather bide my time than jump in before i'm ready. The truth here is though we have no power in this all decisions will be made on the court where getting 2 wins will be a hard enough task and after that if we come out with it the selections committee. So in the end the argument is kind of pointless other than to pass the time.
 
#42
#42
You are a fool if you think this team isn't capable of winning 1or 2 games in the NCAA.

C'mon man. Closet UK or VANDY fan apparently.

Sorry but we won't be playing a 3, that's a 14 seed which we wouldn't be. Good try though.
 
#43
#43
CCM, McThree, Tatum on the SI BB page right now .... "Not over till its over"

NCAA Basketball news, scores, rankings - College Basketball - SI.com

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#44
#44
pimo1 said:
That is like saying you'd rather be caught in a big jewelry heist than get away robbing a liquor store. You made the front page in jail being bubbas b--ch. I am at home with my 243 dollars and a case of MD20/20. My life sucks but I live to rob another day you are just sucking...literally.
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So how exactly do you know all this?
 
#45
#45
ZZ13 said:
As a NCAA hoops fan there is nothing as fun as doing the NCAA tournament strut for the 4-5 days from selection Sunday until your team's first game. I'll take that 4-5 day high, even with a first round loss, over a NIT deep run every time.
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Very well said. No way in hell it's even close. NCAA all the way. Plus I think we can win in it.
 
#46
#46
bleedingTNorange said:
You are a fool if you think this team isn't capable of winning 1or 2 games in the NCAA.

C'mon man. Closet UK or VANDY fan apparently.

Sorry but we won't be playing a 3, that's a 14 seed which we wouldn't be. Good try though.
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so you think we get higher than a 14 seed and you think i'm a fool? to get that high a seed with our record we would have to beat UK in the SECCG. Just because I am not blinded by the euphoria of the run we have been on you go to the closet other SEC team route? Check my post history I have been on board with CCM and this team from day 1. That being said I have always had a balanced view on it all.

This is what happens when you have band-wagoners. They only jump on if they think it goes all the way to the point of silliness. All the guys that were hating on CCM early are the main ones pumping sunshine right now. You guys are all rahrahrah with no substance or thought just pure emotion. Great for cheerleaders not so good for supporters.

You all say it is better for them to go to the dance even if they get blown out in the first round. Those are your exact words. Explain to me either of you how that is good for this team going forward?.....go ahead....oops you can't all that is good for is to make all the armchair cowboys feel good around the water cooler for a week or so. You get to rub it in the faces of fans of teams that didn't make it.

The NIT does not have that same ring because the casual fans don't even know what the heck it is. Thing is it is a good thing like it or not and the sad fact is it is our most likely destination.
 
#49
#49
TennesseeFan07 said:
It's all about RPI.
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This, but it also doesn't help UT that all of the teams they beat that would be considered "signature wins" fell off significantly. (UF, Vandy, UConn) It would have been nice for UConn and Vandy to have at least retained a ranking in the latter portion of the schedule. I want to see the Vols in, it's just hard to predict the committee sometimes.
 
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