Six to 10?

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Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.
 
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oh boy.

Most will probably say "first year learning the system, not recruited to play in CBJ's system/scheme" etc
 
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A typical VN "sunshine pumper" would tell you that we have very talented playmakers, but no quality depth to back them up.

Either way, it sounds like excuses for consistent mediocrity.
 
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OL, McCullers (on size and potential) and AJ. Sounds like what VN has been saying all year

the rest he mentions are a real stretch unless someone just takes a chance
 
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Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.

1. first they have to get drafted.. we will see

2. under developed talent is still talent. NFL could take a flyer on someone that needs developing.

why under developed?

4 head coaches in 6 years

5 S&C coaches in 6 years

43 assistant coaches in 6 years.


anyone saying no talent doesn't understand.

anyone not recognizing under developed talent doesn't understand.

JMO
 
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Last time I checked Tiny / Juwuan / Big Dan / AJ don't score touchdowns. Which you need to win games as I recall .




Could be wrong though..
 
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Article supports DAJ2576's theory of the Vols underperforming -2 games in 2013 based on talent level.

I find it amazing that per the article Jacques Smith has more NFL potential than Corey Miller. Miller had more sacks in the Ky game than Smith had in his 4 years.
 
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Early MOCK DRAFTS are excellent coaching meters :shakehead: Wild unconventional idea :idea: Let the combine shorts Olympics, pro days and....THE ACTUAL DRAFT gauge the magic marker spot where you start gnawing Butch's leg :drool:
 
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Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.

Ok, we get, we submit. Jones did an awful job, can't coach on Saturdays, sure as hell can't teach fundamentals and develop his players..... better?
 
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I'll be absolutely stunned if we have anywhere near 10 guys drafted. That said, anyone who maintains that Butch didn't have as much talent as Vanderbilt ought to seek psychiatric help fast.
 
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A typical VN "sunshine pumper" would tell you that we have very talented playmakers, but no quality depth to back them up.

Either way, it sounds like excuses for consistent mediocrity.

Anyone that watched team 117 would know it had no playmakers outside of a true freshman receiver. The biggest problem this team had was speed on defense and very limited talent at the skill positions. There will be no secondary players or skill position players drafted.
 
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1. first they have to get drafted.. we will see

2. under developed talent is still talent. NFL could take a flyer on someone that needs developing.

why under developed?

4 head coaches in 6 years

5 S&C coaches in 6 years

43 assistant coaches in 6 years.


anyone saying no talent doesn't understand.

anyone not recognizing under developed talent doesn't understand.

JMO

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Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.

Nothing at the skill positions and mainly QB. Play calling may have had some input into getting us beat as well. I thought we were way to conservative against Vandy. Finally we played too many teams that will get 20 drafted. Our schedule was loaded the only bad loss is Vandy that one hurts.
 
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Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.

The two facts, a 5-7 team and 6-10 of them being potential NFL draft picks, can exist without one effecting the other (especially if 5 of those picks are on the O-line).

This team had talented individual players, this team does not have depth. Our 1s could beat Vandy's 1s, and that might work for a game that was 20 minutes long. It actually worked for a game that was about 50 minutes long. However, those 6-10 potential NFL draftees are offset by walk-ons (3 or more, right?), and under developed talent. 10 players cannot make up for a two deep that is a minimum of 44 players.

Oh yeah, that is in a year where schemes on both sides of the ball were changed. You are predicating too much on one loss, by 4 points, to a team that is the second highest over-performer compared to talent in the SEC and probably top 10 in the nation.

It seems to me that you start all of your conversations off of on the talent standpoint, predicated mostly on talent averages (I recognize that, because I start many of my conversations off like that). However, you are drawing conclusions without specifically looking into how on an individual level those evaluations might break down and cause an over or under-performance. Understand that talent averages work 70% of the time, that means for the other 30% of the time they don't. Usually that can be attributed to coaching. However, there are occasions, like UT, where talent averages don't tell the whole story of the coach or the talent available on the team.

Butch has a history of over-performance of 3.5 games a year more than he should win based on raw talent averages. That is tracking his performance at three different schools. Not only that but at each stop he improved talent averages over his predecessor. He is recruiting like a mad man.

There is hope, you just don't want to see it. As I have said before, at some point during this season you went from being rational to simply hating everything you saw on the field. It came right around the Mizzou loss. Now that you can't point to Mizzou as being a bad or untalented team, as the recruiting averages say, you've taken on to pointing to the Vandy loss as the one indication of why we should all be concerned.

We get it, you are convinced that this team was talented and should have beaten Vandy. You say that so often that I am certain everyone gets it. Hell, I believed it wholeheartedly until I actually broke down the latent talent per position groups on the two deep.

This data you show is the modern conundrum of using information to affirm rather than inform.
 
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Ok, we get, we submit. Jones did an awful job, can't coach on Saturdays, sure as hell can't teach fundamentals and develop his players..... better?

See this is the problem with Excusavols. It has to be all or nothing. It has to be that Butch is our lord and savior and he couldn't have possibly have lost a game to a less talented team or been out-coached...otherwise he must be fired.

The thing is, those of us who want to hold coaches accountable and criticize them when they perform poorly, aren't suggesting he be fired or that he can't coach at all or any of those things. It's the posivols/Vollyannas/excusavols/coach-worshippers who seem only able to deal in extremes.

It's important to hold a magnifying glass up to mistakes and failures. It is important to recognize them as such and discuss them openly. Problems rarely get fixed when everyone wants to pretend they don't exist.
 
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