so...did we lose everyone on the bubble

[Knox9552]

I'm not acting like anything here, I just asked a question based off of what you posted.

Well then, Lane was here on Dec. 1st and was in Memphis recruiting Dec. 2nd...

 

[champyvol]

What part of Saban pulling a #10 class with no more time, a nasty separation from Miami, and the firing of Shula do YOU not understand? What part of (maybe) losing Phillips, Oku, and Shackleford to Auburn's BRAND NEW STAFF do YOU not understand?

Whether it is "fair" or not, this class is critical for CLK if he's going to succeed at UT. He MUST have OL's and he's not getting them... in fact, he's losing them.

This class was borderline before all these defections started. It is now approaching disaster.

we usually don't agree on much, but your right. our talent level has fallen off and the rest of the sec has picked it up.

 

[sjt18]

It's all in perception...

You honestly think the recruits that were on campus this weekend would have been here with the previous regime?

I have no earthly idea. However I think the conversation would be about protection if they were still there. Instead of thrashing about trying to find a "surprise"... they'd have Herbert, Phillips, Giles, Oku, Boyd, A Foster, Stokes, et al in protection mode.

But calling out the coaching staff and mocking the finish when no papers have been signed yet is stupid.
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I'm not calling them out nor mocking anyone but the people here that keep saying it is going to be "OK" when the news coming out is anything but "OK".

I am far from being against this staff. I want them to succeed and that's precisely why I'm so concerned.

 

[Dustin4Vols]

What part of Saban pulling a #10 class with no more time, a nasty separation from Miami, and the firing of Shula do YOU not understand? What part of (maybe) losing Phillips, Oku, and Shackleford to Auburn's BRAND NEW STAFF do YOU not understand?

Whether it is "fair" or not, this class is critical for CLK if he's going to succeed at UT. He MUST have OL's and he's not getting them... in fact, he's losing them.

This class was borderline before all these defections started. It is now approaching disaster.

whats saban got to do with anything? hes not our coach.

 

[1orangews6]

Well then, Lane was here on Dec. 1st and was in Memphis recruiting Dec. 2nd...

Yes, I think I'm in agreeance with that from my previous post.

 

[sjt18]

we usually don't agree on much, but your right. our talent level has fallen off and the rest of the sec has picked it up.

Alot of that falls on Fulmer but the fact is they had a very solid class going... especially the new O staff.

You like many others thought I was in Fulmer's camp. I never was. I just wanted to see things done right and thought he deserved a chance. I also never mistook him for the devil incarnate like some did.

He's just a guy who tried and failed.

 

[sjt18]

whats saban got to do with anything? hes not our coach.

People keep saying that this class looks like it won't end up well because CLK has only been here a short while. Saban proved that you don't have to lose commits and can add enough to get a very good class in pretty much the same situation CLK is faced with.

I'm less concerned frankly about the guys they don't appear to be getting than the ones they appear to be losing. In fact, I probably wouldn't be writing this at all if it weren't for Phillips. UT MUST have OL's in this class. They needed to add another guy... not lose one.

 

[Dustin4Vols]

People keep saying that this class looks like it won't end up well because CLK has only been here a short while. Saban proved that you don't have to lose commits and can add enough to get a very good class in pretty much the same situation CLK is faced with.

I'm less concerned frankly about the guys they don't appear to be getting than the ones they appear to be losing. In fact, I probably wouldn't be writing this at all if it weren't for Phillips. UT MUST have OL's in this class. They needed to add another guy... not lose one.

well. i'd love to have a intelictual convo with u but i just aint into the whole recruting thing so i dunno anything of wut is goin on lol.

 

[Dustin4Vols]

only thing i care about is seeing who we get on signing day and reading feedback

 

[OHvol40]

I have no earthly idea. However I think the conversation would be about protection if they were still there. Instead of thrashing about trying to find a "surprise"... they'd have Herbert, Phillips, Giles, Oku, Boyd, A Foster, Stokes, et al in protection mode.



I'm not calling them out nor mocking anyone but the people here that keep saying it is going to be "OK" when the news coming out is anything but "OK".

I am far from being against this staff. I want them to succeed and that's precisely why I'm so concerned.

You show me a class that has not taken a hit when changing coaching staffs, and I'll show you a liar. It is just a blow you have to absorb when making a change.

This was often the topic on here when we had no coach. People seem to have forgotten that.

 

[posivol]

this weekend.
I have not looked or seen anything outside this forum today but all i see is gloom and doom in here saying we have lost this and not getting that.
who did we lose that we had a shot at.

oku?
patterson?

who else.??

i really dont think any of these fellows fits wonderboys system,maybe karmas bitting that butt right about now.

 

[posivol]

Well then, Lane was here on Dec. 1st and was in Memphis recruiting Dec. 2nd...

how many recruits has he snagged ?

less than the other new coaches who were hired after he was.

recruiting whiz my butt

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im liking him less and less as days go by!

 

[Dustin4Vols]

im getting a feeling we r gonna be mediocre this year...

 

[sjt18]

only thing i care about is seeing who we get on signing day and reading feedback

I am hoping against hope that this class goes better than anyone is expecting. OTOH, I've been watching recruiting long enough to know that there are seldom any big NSD surprises. It usually plays out about like it looks by the weekend before.

 

[champyvol]

Alot of that falls on Fulmer but the fact is they had a very solid class going... especially the new O staff.

You like many others thought I was in Fulmer's camp. I never was. I just wanted to see things done right and thought he deserved a chance. I also never mistook him for the devil incarnate like some did.

He's just a guy who tried and failed.

fair enough. i thought fulmer was a hell of a nice guy. just time and new SEC coaches passed him by. i sure hope these coaches can coach up our current players, because it seems like it is all we got. not much help coming next year. it seems maybe the bar was set to high for kiffin here. i know i was expecting a much better class this year, i really think him telling boyd to take a hike destroyed this years class. i think it soured alot of recruits on us. i guess we will find out next year.

 

[sjt18]

You show me a class that has not taken a hit when changing coaching staffs, and I'll show you a liar. It is just a blow you have to absorb when making a change.

This was often the topic on here when we had no coach. People seem to have forgotten that.

Saban's first class was #10. He held Shula's commits and got more of his own.

Meyer's first class was 15th.

If the guys who are expected to jump ship do and aren't replaced then CLK's first class may not beat Nutt's 29th last year... after being fired in a real ugly way from Arkansas.

If I'm not mistaken, Butch Davis came into a similar situation and got a #17 class that included Marvin Austin and Rashad Mason from Nashville.

It isn't so much to me that he's not adding the recruits UT needs but that he's losing recruits they need like Phillips.

 

[sjt18]

i really dont think any of these fellows fits wonderboys system,maybe karmas bitting that butt right about now.

How about leaving the personal non-sense out of it? If you want CLK to fail then you aren't acting any more like a loyal fan than those who wanted Fulmer to fail.

I want the guy to succeed but unlike many others here I see what's happening and realize how detrimental to UT's program it truly is.

 

[3L with debt]

Today has been one cruel kick in the nuts.

 

[Ughhh]

im getting a feeling we r gonna be mediocre this year...

After last years debacle...mediocre will be welcomed, for THIS year. We'll be back among the elite soon enough. GO VOLS!!:rock:

 

[Ughhh]

Yeah... anyone who realizes this doesn't look good must be hung up on Fulmer... Couldn't be all the kids that are walking away from the new staff's pitch. Even the excuse that they haven't been around long enough doesn't hold water. UT is losing recruits to Auburn... with a brand new staff as well.

They're losing to Ole Miss... with Houston Nutt as HC.

The only thing I will say right now about the previous staff is that they had a pretty decent class going. It is apparently falling apart with a staff that was specifically designed for recruiting.

I keep hoping this will work out on NSD but the prospects seem to grow more dim every time I look at the news.

Alot of this is Kiffins own doing. He told 3 of them to look elsewhere. We didn't LOSE recruits, he said they wouldn't fit and to look elsewhere. (and one dude shot somebody in the head) That's cool with me. Kiffin is the coach and if he doesn't think that they will fit then we have to trust that they won't fit. Kiffin has a vision of what he wants on the field just like every other coach in any other sport wants. Let Kiffin and Co. , well, coach a game before we stone him to death in front of 100,000+ fans in Neyland. Get real people. We are fans and I can honestly say that I believe that NONE of us were offered the position to coach on this team. I'm pretty sure we weren't even on the list of potential canidates.

 

[VolinDawgland]

Saban's first class was #10. He held Shula's commits and got more of his own.

Meyer's first class was 15th.

If the guys who are expected to jump ship do and aren't replaced then CLK's first class may not beat Nutt's 29th last year... after being fired in a real ugly way from Arkansas.

If I'm not mistaken, Butch Davis came into a similar situation and got a #17 class that included Marvin Austin and Rashad Mason from Nashville.

It isn't so much to me that he's not adding the recruits UT needs but that he's losing recruits they need like Phillips.

Not really apples to oranges:
- Saban was a rock star coach coming into a situation that was desperate to win again and in a state loaded with talent with a large fan base to Alabubba
- Meyer was not quite as known, but there are a ton of in state kids wanting to play for UF particularly with FSU and UM down...plus unlike Fulmer crew, Meyer was actually following a great recruiting staff
- A closer comparison is Davis at NC...lets wait until NSD to put a final grade on this thing

 

[BigPapaVol]

How about leaving the personal non-sense out of it? If you want CLK to fail then you aren't acting any more like a loyal fan than those who wanted Fulmer to fail.

I want the guy to succeed but unlike many others here I see what's happening and realize how detrimental to UT's program it truly is.

detrimental. Are you actually implying that it can get worse. We had a middlin' 30s recruiting class last year followed up by a 5 win season. We're in Vandy territory and you're talking about it getting worse.

I don't understand the talk about wanting Fulmer to fail. He had the gig for far more years than he earned and, in the end, he was failing badly. We lost to freaking Wyoming, who was so bad that they fired their coach.

 

[NYYVol]

I have no earthly idea. However I think the conversation would be about protection if they were still there. Instead of thrashing about trying to find a "surprise"... they'd have Herbert, Phillips, Giles, Oku, Boyd, A Foster, Stokes, et al in protection mode.



I'm not calling them out nor mocking anyone but the people here that keep saying it is going to be "OK" when the news coming out is anything but "OK".

I am far from being against this staff. I want them to succeed and that's precisely why I'm so concerned.

I understand your worries. I have them as well. I just know though that you never assume anything when it comes to 18 year old kids.

Also, it doesn't matter in my opinion if we had been able to keep all the kids Fulmer was recruiting if he stayed. I've seen enough of that staff's inability to coach players up.

For the most part we had far too many 4 star and 3 star guys regress at an extremely rapid pace under the previous regime. So I throw that out the window. Anytime there is turnover with coaches, there will be turnover with player/recruits.
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[sjt18]

detrimental. Are you actually implying that it can get worse. We had a middlin' 30s recruiting class last year followed up by a 5 win season. We're in Vandy territory and you're talking about it getting worse.

I don't understand the talk about wanting Fulmer to fail. He had the gig for far more years than he earned and, in the end, he was failing badly. We lost to freaking Wyoming, who was so bad that they fired their coach.

Yes... it can get worse. Seasons like last year can become the rule rather than the exception.

There were people who wanted Fulmer to fail so he'd be replaced. They got what they wanted and now some of them are trying to set the bar extremely low for CLK to avoid embarrassment.

I wanted the bar high for Fulmer and want it high for CLK. If this recruiting class goes as currently expected then he will have miserably failed the first test. Excuse it all you want but it appears that UT will bleed long time commits while not turning other guys.

The guy Rex cited has a good point. UT probably invested too much in turning recruits and not enough in retaining the ones that were already committed. I hope this wasn't a direct outcome of Orgeron's plan that the new OC mentioned a few weeks ago.

 

[sjt18]

Also, it doesn't matter in my opinion if we had been able to keep all the kids Fulmer was recruiting if he stayed. I've seen enough of that staff's inability to coach players up.

For the most part we had far too many 4 star and 3 star guys regress at an extremely rapid pace under the previous regime. So I throw that out the window. Anytime there is turnover with coaches, there will be turnover with player/recruits.
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I sincerely think the coaching would have been better on O with Clawson and his guys once some of the Sanders players worked their way out and were replaced by guys CDC picked. His guys noticed Phillips and Schofield a long time before they were on anyone else's radar. Cut wasn't around long enough to help with recruiting much.