So many doom and gloomers...

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
How much does it typically cost to be #1 in the AP poll for a month (and just the 2nd time in history) and to sign one of the highest ranked group of recruits ever?
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Ok and #1 in the country for a month got us a sweet 16 exit, Cuonzo had similar results in the post season.
 
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#127
VolFreakJosh said:
Once Barnes retires for good, you better hope Fulmer dishes out a truck load of money for a proven Basketball coach because Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Bill Self, Chris Beard, Tom Izzo, those proven coaches aren’t leaving their jobs to come here.

Replacing a HOF coach will not be an easy task unless you want to take a chance on an up & comer.
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It will largely be dependant on fortunate timing. TN could have their choice of attractive up and comers -or- if the vacancy occurs at the same time as Duke, UNC, KY, and a few others then TN will have to pick from their 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more choices. The timing was good for KO and Bruce and nearly perfect for Barnes.

Promoting from the current staff doesn't often generate great results, but Kim English sure looks like somebody worth taking a chance on. I hope he likes living in Eastern TN much more than in Missouri.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Ok and #1 in the country for a month got us a sweet 16 exit, Cuonzo had similar results in the post season.
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Being #1 in the country means that you're in the mix. It gets you very high NCAAT seeds and the more often that happens the more likely EEs and FFs follow. Cuonzo was very fortunate with the way the NCAAT played out. Somebody else took out Duke for him.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Ok and #1 in the country for a month got us a sweet 16 exit, Cuonzo had similar results in the post season.
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Had one year with a similar result and if it wasn’t for the petition he never gets there. What has Zo done since?? Also you can’t knock Barnes for doing less with his talent last year, when the Zo team you’re comparing them to had to be in a damn play in game for an 11 seed. Zo coached in one of the worst eras in SEC basketball history, and he had to win a play in game, just to make the one tournament he made here. His results aren’t comparable to Barnes
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Being #1 in the country means that you're in the mix. It gets you very high NCAAT seeds and the more often that happens the more likely EEs and FFs follow. Cuonzo was very fortunate with the way the NCAAT played out. Somebody else took out Duke for him.
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Thats true, just like in 18 when someone took out UVA, Cincy, Miami and UK.... Kansas State was standing in the way but the rest is history with the lucky crazy nun
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I’m done beating a dead horse but I’ll say it one more time.

Nobody and I mean nobody here thinks it’s ok to miss the NCAA Tournament.

However, most level headed fans knew this would be a down year considering injuries, loss of key players, and lack of leadership. I think Barnes tried to assemble the roster the best he could.

If Barnes misses the tournament next year with all the talent he’s got coming in, then there’s a legitimate concern. He would receive a lot of criticism from the fans as he should.

Right now, you can’t sit there and say that Barnes isn’t deserving his salary considering a lot of top notch coaches have down years. That’s the nature of the game. It happens whether we like it or not.
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Makes me wonder how the Villanova fans view Jay Wright with a couple of sustained great years followed by a few mediocre years. Are they constantly whining and complaining and moaning and groaning? Or, as some on this board infer, if you get a national championship along the way, coaching immunity is granted to infinity.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
Had one year with a similar result and if it wasn’t for the petition he never gets there. What has Zo done since?? Also you can’t knock Barnes for doing less with his talent last year, when the Zo team you’re comparing them to had to be in a damn play in game for an 11 seed. Zo coached in one of the worst eras in SEC basketball history and he had to win a play in game just to make the one tournament he made here. His results aren’t comparable to Barnes
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His post season results at UT are similar. Barnes doesn't have much post season history for his whole career, he has 1 Final 4 and 2 Elite 8's in 30 years of coaching. The knock on Barnes at Texas was always he would start out hot and then his teams would stall down the stretch and ultimately die in the opening weekend of the tournament. So far thats pretty consistent here, we will see and time will tell
 
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#133
Perhaps Loyola-Chicago deserved a higher seed. Most 11 seeds don't bring a 10 game winning streak into the NCAAT and 18 of their last 19.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Perhaps Loyola-Chicago deserved a higher seed. Most 11 seeds don't bring a 10 game winning streak into the NCAAT and 18 of their last 19.
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Yeah maybe so, I really wish we hadn't gotten that match up. They just played a really weird style and for whatever reason couldn't miss on that day
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
His post season results at UT are similar. Barnes doesn't have much post season history for his whole career, he has 1 Final 4 and 2 Elite 8's in 30 years of coaching. The knock on Barnes at Texas was always he would start out hot and then his teams would stall down the stretch and ultimately die in the opening weekend of the tournament. So far thats pretty consistent here, we will see and time will tell
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Consistent here? TN didn't die in the opening weekend a year ago. They've also been in the championship game of the SECT the last 2 years. IIRC, TN had never been in the SECT championship game in consecutive years since the tournament was revived in 1979.
 
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#136
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Consistent here? TN didn't die in the opening weekend a year ago. They've also been in the championship game of the SECT the last 2 years. IIRC, TN had never been in the SECT championship game in consecutive years since the tournament was revived in 1979.
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If you lose the last game of the year nobody gives a sh!t
 
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cardvolfan said:
Makes me wonder how the Villanova fans view Jay Wright with a couple of sustained great years followed by a few mediocre years. Are they constantly whining and complaining and moaning and groaning? Or, as some on this board infer, if you get a national championship along the way, coaching immunity is granted to infinity.
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Few Mediocre years? He won a national title two years ago lmao
 
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#139
VolArmy74 said:
It's okay to say Rick Barnes had a bad year this year because it's true. It's also okay to say it's his fault, because that is true too. He did a poor job constructing the roster to maintain success beyond the two year run we just had. I think we all hoped for a Pearl like run from him but that's just not in the cards. Pearl is an elite coach that's never had an opportunity at a true basketball power because of personality. There aren't many coaches at his level in the country. The earlier suggestion that he couldn't develop players is laughable as is using Scotty Hopson as an example. Scotty went from 5 to 12 to 17ppg here before leaving early for the NBA. The grossly unfair NCAA penalty against Bruce and the lack of support for him from the Tennessee administration likely cost us a final 4 or two, had Bruce stayed and got a small suspension like Frank Haith did for much worse penalties, or nothing at all like Sean Miller. Wade. Roy Williams, Boeheim etc etc.

All that said, Rick Barnes at least has given us something to look forward to by actually deciding to earn his giant salary on the recruiting trail. Next year should be 22-24 wins and a top 6 NCAA seed. Barring NBA departures, the year after should be Final Four contention.

As for the people saying "Tennessee isn't a good program" in some bizarre defense of Barnes. GTFO. Tennessee is 40th in All Time Wins. 35th when you take out the Ivy League schools and other one bid league schools. We are also top 40 in All Time NCAA appearances when you take out some Ivy League/one bid teams too. That was with it taking us almost 30 years after it started to get our first bid due to the Kentucky factor. Basically no school in the SEC besides Kentucky got NCAA invites. We won the SEC Regular season and tournament twice in the early NCAA era and didn't get bids. Kentucky did the same in the same era and got bids.

In spite of all the crap we've had to face from the very unjust Pearl punishment and bad hires, we've been to 13 of the last 21 NCAA tournaments. People here act like the late Devoe/Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil era is the normal for Tennessee basketball, it's actually not. We aren't a "Blue Blood" but we are a program that should make the NCAA 7 out of 10 years with the field being 68. Maybe even 8 of 10. We dedicate massive resources to the basketball program, have top flight attendance and play in a conference where a top 6 finish will normally get you a bid. None of those are too high of expectations. Nor is reaching a dang Final Four. People act like we're East Tennessee State talking about a Final Four. Memphis has technically been to the Final Four from the same state and by every metric except how far we've advanced into the NCAAs Tennessee is a better program. We have more money, we have more fans, we have more wins, we have more tournament appearances, we have a real league that gets respect and allows us to earn bids. Should we expect the Final Four in the next 5 years? You're darn right we should and that would apply no matter who the coach was or what his salary was. That is the level of basketball every major D1 p5 program should expect. For goodness sakes Auburn and Texas Tech just did it.
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Damn post of the year.
 
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#140
cncchris33 said:
No. Coach. Has. Loyalty.

Coaches are loyal to themselves, their families, and their bank accounts. Barnes is 65 years old and has been at Tennessee for 5 of those years. He has no reason to be loyal. The belief that coaches have an emotional loyalty to a school that hired them is silly. It’s a job to them. Fans have a hard time removing the emotion from it, but if you start looking at it as a job, it becomes a lot clearer to see that loyalty has but a small place for coaches, and reasonably so. That school won’t be loyal to the coach if the going gets tough, either. That’s a two-way street.
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Even after all the controversy over Pearl, he had loyalty and he would not have left Tennessee. He loved it here, the fans the atmosphere and he was proud of how he built it.
 
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#143
My god, College Footall & Basketball is a BUSINESS! Always has been.

There’s no such thing as loyalty.

You go where the money is at.

Pearl loyal? Lmao sure.
 
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#144
rickyyrs said:
Your right. Barnes had his best chance to win it all last year. He failed. I think Bruce Pearl could of took last years team with Admiral, Grant and those guys, and won it all.
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Bruce had a good team and didn't win it all last year. That's ludicrous to think that Barnes might not have a better chance later on to win it all. He has basically 2 five stars and 1 four star coming in and possibly 2 more the next year if recruiting stays solid. I don't think we've seen the best chance yet.
 
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#145
VolunteerCeltic said:
Even after all the controversy over Pearl, he had loyalty and he would not have left Tennessee. He loved it here, the fans the atmosphere and he was proud of how he built it.
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That is pretty naive to think a guy who hung his own coaching staff out to dry behind closed doors as he negotiated his own buyout from Tennessee would show any loyalty to anyone but himself. He entertained the idea of the Memphis job and received a pay bump for it while at Tennessee. His loyalty to Tennessee after his firing was nothing more than an attempt to save face around town since he had no immediate intention to leave.

All that said, if Pearl, who was making somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million at Tennessee when fired, IIRC, were offered a $1.7 million annual raise to coach at UCLA, he'd have hit the door as quick as he could if Tennessee refused to make a reasonable counter offer.
 
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#146
cncchris33 said:
That is pretty naive to think a guy who hung his own coaching staff out to dry behind closed doors as he negotiated his own buyout from Tennessee would show any loyalty to anyone but himself. He entertained the idea of the Memphis job and received a pay bump for it while at Tennessee. His loyalty to Tennessee after his firing was nothing more than an attempt to save face around town since he had no immediate intention to leave.

All that said, if Pearl, who was making somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million at Tennessee when fired, IIRC, were offered a $1.7 million annual raise to coach at UCLA, he'd have hit the door as quick as he could if Tennessee refused to make a reasonable counter offer.
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As I stated above;
"I didnt remember that(referring to Pearl interviewing at Memphis), but I looked it up and damn he did, so all Coaches are paid mercenaries with no loyalties......"
 
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#147
VolunteerCeltic said:
As I stated above;
"I didnt remember that(referring to Pearl interviewing at Memphis), but I looked it up and damn he did, so all Coaches are paid mercenaries with no loyalties......"
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I see now. I was typing my response when you posted that, I guess.

Unfortunately, unless a coach is coaching at his alma mater, rarely do you see loyalty to anything but self and salary. Mark Few is one of the few (no pun intended) outside of the blue bloods who has demonstrated that kind of loyalty in the modern age.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I see now. I was typing my response when you posted that, I guess.

Unfortunately, unless a coach is coaching at his alma mater, rarely do you see loyalty to anything but self and salary. Mark Few is one of the few (no pun intended) outside of the blue bloods who has demonstrated that kind of loyalty in the modern age.
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Mark Few is a great coach!
 
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