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99gator said:
Since 1980, how many times has Tennessee or Oregon played a non-conference opponent who won the national title, played in the national title game or the college football playoff?

Florida has played such an opponent 11 times. Not even bothering to include times the opponent was in the top 5 or played in BCS level bowl, etc.

One out of every three years, Florida has a non-conference opponent who is the national champion or runner up/playoff partipant. And before anyone says anything, it happened 3 times in the 80's, 4 times in the 90's, 2 times in the 00's, and twice so far in the 10's.

And unlike when you schedule your worthy adversaries, you don't hate them....they don't hate you.

The atmosphere at a Florida-Florida State, Florida-Miami game is just a tad bit different.

I am always shocked at the lack of respect this seems to get from the Tennessee fan base. Tennessee has had a damn difficult time beating Florida over the years, you'd think people would acknowledge the quality of a program that has 14 wins over Florida since 1990 with 3 national titles.

In addition, Spurrier not wanting to renew the series with Miami is incorrect. It's actually something Spurrier very much wanted to do. Then, the SEC expanded with Arkansas and South Carolina and went to an 8 game conference schedule and that was no longer going to happen.
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FSU is a great non-conference opponent. No doubt. But even with our mediocre play the last decade, scheduling is not something that UT should be ashamed of. Just since I was a freshman at UT in 1998, we have played home and homes with Syracuse, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Oregon, and Oklahoma. That is 12 of the 17 years. At some point, you would think your program would want to travel out of state to play a game. But I also don't agree with the Cocktail Party game either.
 
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99gator said:
Georgia in Jax is issue #1.

Issue # 2 is why should Florida go out of its way to have two good OOC opponents.

For ***** and giggles?
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Yea, forgot about the Georgia game. I was just hypothetically trying to figure it out, so issue 2 is not that big of a deal. But, yes, you wouldn't want to do that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
FSU is a great non-conference opponent. No doubt. But even with our mediocre play the last decade, scheduling is not something that UT should be ashamed of. Just since I was a freshman at UT in 1998, we have played home and homes with Syracuse, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Oregon, and Oklahoma. That is 12 of the 17 years. At some point, you would think your program would want to travel out of state to play a game. But I also don't agree with the Cocktail Party game either.
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I dont think tennessee should be ashamed.

Just dont give me the "wont leave the state of Florida" garbage that people try to use to diminish Florida's schedule.

Like playing FSU is easy or something. Because on a year in/year out basis, it's harder than what most anyone else is doing
 
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99gator said:
There is no problem.

It is only a problem for fans of every other school trying to figure out a way to get Ohio State and USC on Florida's schedule in addition to FSU.
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I don't think anyone is trying to do that. But South Carolina and Georgia have played home and homes or neutral games even though they have an annual game against an instate rival.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Some of you guys may know I'm not a fan of Florida and how they schedule OCC games. They rarely play outside of Florida for OCC games and I can't remember the last time they played a OCC game outside the eastern time zone. Of course given this weekend, maybe they have enough competition in Florida given FAU. Of course we should limit any "titles" they achieve to the status of "State Championship" you know sort of like in high school.
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This is easily the dumbest criticism of UF's schedule out there, but kudos to you for dusting it off and posting it here again.

If only we could move FSU north of the border to Thomasville GA, or west to Mobile...or disperse our recruiting base across the country so UF would be forced to travel to various time zones to market the program.

:blink:
 
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99gator said:
I dont think tennessee should be ashamed.

Just dont give me the "wont leave the state of Florida" garbage that people try to use to diminish Florida's schedule.

Like playing FSU is easy or something
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This debate won't go anywhere with our views. It's not easy, but it's also not the same as traveling across 3 time zones to play a quality OOC program.
 
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VolGee4 said:
This debate won't go anywhere with our views. It's not easy, but it's also not the same as traveling across 3 time zones to play a quality OOC program.
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Our two in-state rivals have a combined 8 national titles.

Your in-state rival is Vanderbilt.

UT has to travel to find a quality OOC opponent, UF doesn't.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
This is easily the dumbest criticism of UF's schedule out there, but kudos to you for dusting it off and posting it here again.

If only we could move FSU north of the border to Thomasville GA, or west to Mobile...or disperse our recruiting base across the country so UF would be forced to travel to various time zones to market the program.

:blink:
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Yep, because UT recruits so many players from New York, Oregon, and Oklahoma. It's not about recruiting.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Our two in-state rivals have a combined 8 national titles.

Your in-state rival is Vanderbilt.

UT has to travel to find a quality OOC opponent, UF doesn't.
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Our instate rival is in conference, so we have to play them. But yes, I understand. The Cocktail Party is what messes it up.
 
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I am willing to play the Dallas Cowboys. I don't care.

But, there is no way in hell I'm in favor in beefing up what is already a very competitive schedule year in/year out, while I have to watch a situation like Iowa who is sitting at #3 in the poll and they get to "earn" their way to a playoff and significant money by playing absolutely nobody.

When all the other boys and girls play an SEC schedule and put an OOC opponent as good as FSU on there and they want to add to their schedule, I'm willing to take it under advisement

Until then, America is just going to have to live with the fact that we've got two national powers in our backyard that are NFL pipelines with iconic talent over the last 35 years
 
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VolGee4 said:
Our instate rival is in conference, so we have to play them. But yes, I understand. The Cocktail Party is what messes it up.
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UGA's played at Arizona State and Colorado recently, so I don't buy the Cocktail Party excuse.

Jeremy Foley just doesn't see the point of incurring unnecessary travel expenses to put together a quality schedule.

The Duck fan's beef goes away in 2017 when we play Michigan in Dallas at Jerry World.
 
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99gator said:
There is no problem.

It is only a problem for fans of every other school trying to figure out a way to get Ohio State and USC on Florida's schedule in addition to FSU.
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We play Bama every year. You are talking about game you have to play every year meaning UGA. I give you props for playing FSU. We play teams of that caliber too in our out of conference schedule
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If I'm not mistaken, UT has one of the largest recruiting budgets in the SEC.

There's a reason for that.
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Not sure the point. We didn't play Oregon to recruit players in Oregon. The benefit of recruiting in a state like that is almost nothing.

Our budget was large because we were recruiting more across the country, but it's not like we were pulling in multiple players from Oregon, Oklahoma, or New York. With the influx of talent in middle TN and with Jones' success in Georgia, I would guess that our budget is decreasing.
 
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99gator said:
I am willing to play the Dallas Cowboys. I don't care.

But, there is no way in hell I'm in favor in beefing up what is already a very competitive schedule year in/year out, while I have to watch a situation like Iowa who is sitting at #3 in the poll and they get to "earn" their way to a playoff and significant money by playing absolutely nobody.

When all the other boys and girls play an SEC schedule and put an OOC opponent as good as FSU on there and they want to add to their schedule, I'm willing to take it under advisement

Until then, America is just going to have to live with the fact that we've got two national powers in our backyard that are NFL pipelines with iconic talent over the last 35 years
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I really don't disagree with you. I just think it would be nice to see a UF team play someone out of state and in a cold weather environment. You do get a break playing UT, UK, and Mizzou early most years. I like tradition, so it would be hard to take out FSU for a couple of years.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure the point. We didn't play Oregon to recruit players in Oregon. The benefit of recruiting in a state like that is almost nothing.

Our budget was large because we were recruiting more across the country, but it's not like we were pulling in multiple players from Oregon, Oklahoma, or New York. With the influx of talent in middle TN and with Jones' success in Georgia, I would guess that our budget is decreasing.
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UT plays teams like Oregon, UCLA and Cal to market the program on the west coast...not specifically Oregon or California.

You acknowledge UT recruits nationally, so you agree with my premise.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I really don't disagree with you. I just think it would be nice to see a UF team play someone out of state and in a cold weather environment. You do get a break playing UT, UK, and Mizzou early most years. I like tradition, so it would be hard to take out FSU for a couple of years.
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The coldest UF road game I attended was 1995 at South Carolina. Night game, wind chill was in the teens. Night games there in '01 and '07 weren't nearly as cold.

2008 in Nashville was chilly also...ditto for Tallahassee in 2000. Temps dipped into the 30s for both of those games.
 
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Fsu has only had a really good team maybe twice in the last 12 years. We play the perennial champ, runner up, playoff team Alabama every stinking year..I'll give you that playing FSU in the 90s was like us having to play Bama every year, but not so much since 2000 till a couple of recent years. Now it seems like they are sliding back into mediocrity.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Fsu has only had a really good team maybe twice in the last 12 years. We play the perennial champ, runner up, playoff team Alabama every stinking year..I'll give you that playing FSU in the 90s was like us having to play Bama every year, but not so much since 2000 till a couple of recent years. Now it seems like they are sliding back into mediocrity.
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don't bring in logic . Florida will get a chance at Bama soon enough and we all know how that's going to look!
 
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99gator said:
This has been known for awhile. We have seen South Carolina, Missouri, and now Florida teams win 10+ in a season and we know they werent very good.

It's one of the reasons we've all been going nuts is because you didnt2 have to be good to have a good record.

All year ive been imagining life in this division with an actual roster
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This times 1000. Anyone willing to actually look at the talent level in our division has known this.
 
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From here on out, if anyone asks me why I'm in favor of doing away with divisions in the SEC, I will point to the 2015 East and leave it at that.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Fsu has only had a really good team maybe twice in the last 12 years. We play the perennial champ, runner up, playoff team Alabama every stinking year..I'll give you that playing FSU in the 90s was like us having to play Bama every year, but not so much since 2000 till a couple of recent years. Now it seems like they are sliding back into mediocrity.
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They have a great chance to go 11-2; I want that level of mediocrity.
 
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bamawriter said:
From here on out, if anyone asks me why I'm in favor of doing away with divisions in the SEC, I will point to the 2015 East and leave it at that.
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It wouldn't change the two teams that will play for the 2015 SEC Championship if there weren't divisions. Florida is currently tied with Alabama for the best conference record (and best overall record for that matter). Florida's offense may be falling apart at the end of the season but they still went 7-1 in the SEC just like Alabama will do... and they did beat the team (38-10) that beat Alabama.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It wouldn't change the two teams that will play for the 2015 SEC Championship if there weren't divisions. Florida is currently tied with Alabama for the best conference record (and best overall record for that matter). Florida's offense may be falling apart at the end of the season but they still went 7-1 in the SEC just like Alabama will do... and they did beat the team (38-10) that beat Alabama.
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In theory, sure. But after Grier got busted, do you think UF would have won out if they'd had Bama, Arkansas, and MSU instead of UGA, South Carolina, and Vandy?

None of that is Florida's fault. I'm not saying they don't deserve to be in the SECCG. I'm just saying that their road was much easier than Bama's or Ole Miss'. 57% of the East is made up of the worst teams in the conference, and that is just a joke.
 
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