So the NIL is supposed to bring parity

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Rememberthelate90s said:
Bama doesn't have nike. Part of it is some kids still want to play where they win and know they go pro and make even more money. What's the money grabbers gonna do once they are out of contention. Then they don't play as hard or fake injuries so they don't get hurt for their next step. It's free agency every year. Those kids are committed to program. Gonna have to be a balance of kids committed to program too.
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All of the top players will end up where the money is, SEC and select teams with huge backers around the country. If the NFL had no salary cap, no free agency requirements and no draft all the players would be playing in New York or Los Angeles.
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
NIL probably had a lot to do with Tennessee landing a 5 star QB before this season ever started. I dont think anyone ever said it would be what keep the big guys from getting their fair share, but i would say there is more than one player in this class that is here based in large part to NIL
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Fair share?
 
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VOLtaism said:
All of the top players will end up where the money is, SEC and select teams with huge backers around the country. If the NFL had no salary cap, no free agency requirements and no draft all the players would be playing in New York or Los Angeles.
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Disagree. But that's ok. I don't really care for your take. But that's ok. I think mine is not all people act the same and you act like everyone has one goal. I don't care at this point. You're right I'm wrong move on.
 
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We be never thought it would bring parity, but I thought and think that the NIL and the portal will help some programs close the gap a little bit. Some p5 programs will catch up a little quicker and compete more in some games with the likes of Bama. Parity though? I doubt it. I think you will see teams like Bama, OSU losses their grip a bit. I think we are seeing that. We are seeing their oath gets more difficult and teams competing more with them. I don’t think that’s the NIL necessarily, but ai also am not fretting them loading up on recruits because many of the guys all over the country will be finding new teams in a year or two.
 
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Not everyone went out and bought a car the day after it was invented...some stuck to the horse and bugey for a bit.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. Which does NOTHING to refute the point. Not even Saban gets every recruit he pursues. But when a kid has talent which FAR more than 30 do each year... then Saban, Kirby, and Day all show up pushing hard for his commitment... the recruiting sites know they have a 5*.

How many btw? It would be VERY interesting for you to prove your point by listing the number of 5* recruits that get their rating before being made a high target by one of the top programs. It would also be very interesting to see which recruits initially given 5* were dropped later after NOT being made a high priority by one or more of those top programs.

You charge others with being "blind" but you're the one who ignores things that completely destroy your belief. They've been listed by so many people so many times that I don't think doing it again will convince you any more than they have before. They have even been listed or affirmed by people who have more faith and trust in the rankings than I do.


Never said that. But of the current consensus 5* on either On3 or 247... how many do not have an offer from at least two out of Bama, UGA, OSU, and Clemson?

No. I may not have the "perfect" view on this subject but I am 100% RIGHT about YOU being WRONG. The fact that ratings become not very predictive after those first few teams... you dismiss as unimportant when it is FAR MORE important as it relates to the accuracy of the ratings. You dismiss the failure of a 4* rating to predict future drafts with a significant level of accuracy. You dismiss the fact that more 2/3* guys will be drafted than 4/5* combined. You dismiss the fact that the recruiting sites TELL YOU that they aren't accurate by arbitrarily limiting the number of 4/5* ratings they give. If they knew what they were doing like YOU think they do... then every kid deserving of 5* in a class would get the rating. Some years there might be 20. In other years there might be 80.

You just handwave and ignore ALL of the things that prove your cult like faith WRONG. These things ARE disqualifiers for your view. If even one is true then your view is false... but they're ALL true.
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Wrong as usual.
 
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OrangeEtBlanc said:
The transfer portal is the better equalizer. Now, some of those stacked 5 stars can go elsewhere with no delay if they get tired of sitting too long. This combined with expanded playoffs will help over the coming years to create more parity. NIL ensures that only the top programs with fan & admin support can get the best players (but that isn’t concentrated to only a few teams). NIL, the transfer portal, and expanded playoffs will consolidate talent, but then also spread it out among the Top 40 Power 5 schools. Rebuilds will be quicker for programs.
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The top of the recruiting rankings haven't changed, and now those same teams can accept any top level player they want as a transfer. With any amount of NIL money available when/if needed. SEC rebuilds will still require four years of SEC level recruiting, but the portal can help fill temporary gaps.
 
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We’ve already figured out if NIL works?
And are you sure it’s supposed to do what you think it’s supposed to do?
 
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iuvol said:
And Bama signs 6 5 stars.
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Nobody said this… NIL was confirmed by the Supreme Court in a VERY rare 9-0 vote because schools were profiting of the players NIL, and now the players can profit off their NIL. The Supreme Court didn’t care anything about parity when they made the final decision
 
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plumbervol said:
Not enough Parity to support a 4 team playoff anyway a 12 team playoff. The NIL is a tool to create parity and it will work just as the scholarship limits has worked but Parity is goal that is a long way off. Jock sniffers and degenerate gamblers are the real tools to achieve parity, money follows the crowd and creates interest in the sport. Interest in the sport creates viewers and a market. The NIL becomes a tool in the arsenal. The cost is relative in that it requires an audience to sustain growth and draw in media to present it back to the jock sniffers and degenerate gamblers. They in turn watch Dr Pepper Friendsville commercials while the sports is being broadcast. The sniffers and gamblers will watch it with or without parity, they sustain interest so that mass media will spend the bucks to broadcast it and keep the cycle going.
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Why do you say NIL is a “tool to create parity?” I’ve never heard that. It was a decision made by the Supreme Court to allow players to profit off their NIL. It has nothing to do with creating parity. Where did you see that at?
 
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Another common misconception is that schools pay players the NIL money that isn’t true. It’s private entities that choose to partner with players in hopes they’re support will increase their profits. Now, schools can talk with the “collectives”, but the money isn’t coming from the school. So, stop say “Alabama paid this player” , or even “Tennessee paid that player”. That’s not how it works….

I know, you’re going to say that’s basically how it works, but it’s not. Before NIL, boosters and/or coaches would illegally pay players, but now they do t have to. So, there was an advantage that top teams had was they were good at hiding these illegal payments.
 
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Anyone who thinks the NIL will create parity, doesn’t understand the NIL. The NIL is free agency without a salary cap. So the Yankees will get their pick of the liter.

But I’m not convinced parity is what we want. I know it’s not what I want. I enjoy having Goliath’s in the sport to cheer against. And I love that it gives a program with a massive fan base like our a chance to become Goliath again.

Why would anyone want parity?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Anyone who thinks the NIL will create parity, doesn’t understand the NIL. The NIL is free agency without a salary cap. So the Yankees will get their pick of the liter.

But I’m not convinced parity is what we want. I know it’s not what I want. I enjoy having Goliath’s in the sport to cheer against. And I love that it gives a program with a massive fan base like our a chance to become Goliath again.

Why would anyone want parity?
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Correct, we don't want parity. There has never been parity. We want to resume our rightful place among CFB's elites.
 
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you said:
Nobody said this… NIL was confirmed by the Supreme Court in a VERY rare 9-0 vote because schools were profiting of the players NIL, and now the players can profit off their NIL. The Supreme Court didn’t care anything about parity when they made the final decision
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The 9-0 Alston decision was about educational benefits, not NIL. You might actually read the decision before commenting about it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The 9-0 Alston decision was about educational benefits, not NIL. You might actually read the decision before commenting about it.
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What? Here’s the opinion (last few pages). The entire thing is about compensation. Not “educational benefits”. As early as the first page it’s openly stated that they’re challenging restrictions on compensation for athletes. The entire thing is about getting paid

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf
 
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VolBricks said:
Look at aTm, where did mega $$$$ get them this year with that #1 class in 2022? Everyone is finally figuring out that the used car salesman they have as a coach can't coach to save is life. NIL is only good if your coaches know how to coach up the players and how to "Use" NIL to their advantage.
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Not to mention is drew kids who were chasing a buck and the game itself was secondary. They show up for a year, collect their money, then go looking for a new/better offer.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What? Here’s the opinion (last few pages). The entire thing is about compensation. Not “educational benefits”. As early as the first page it’s openly stated that they’re challenging restrictions on compensation for athletes. The entire thing is about getting paid

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf
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The lawsuit was STRICTLY about educational benefits. Period.

Let's put it this way, the NCAA lost Alston..... we can agree. If the lawsuit were about other forms of compensation besides educational benefits, why aren't players getting paid salaries now?

They aren't because it wasn't. It was about educational benefits. Kavanaugh SAID in his opinion the NCAA would lose a FURTHER challenge about payment, but that wasn't the case in front of them.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The lawsuit was STRICTLY about educational benefits. Period.

Let's put it this way, the NCAA lost Alston..... we can agree. If the lawsuit were about other forms of compensation besides educational benefits, why aren't players getting paid salaries now?

They aren't because it wasn't. It was about educational benefits. Kavanaugh SAID in his opinion the NCAA would lose a FURTHER challenge about payment, but that wasn't the case in front of them.
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You’re totally confused bro…. Hope you figure it out
 
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