So, this is floating around the Facebook, this morning...

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Anybody care to explain? Anybody care to provide a reason as to why I should not make the connection between the image above and this image:

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No reason you shouldn't make the connection. Both sides (Christian/Islam) have guilty histories. Both sides also make ridiculous claims and justifications based on supernatural fantasies.

But you are deluding yourself if you don't think Islam is the greater threat today.
 
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rjd970 said:
No reason you shouldn't make the connection. Both sides (Christian/Islam) have guilty histories. Both sides also make ridiculous claims and justifications based on supernatural fantasies.

But you are deluding yourself if you don't think some Muslims are the greater threat today.
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I do not know where I have stated that some Muslims are not, currently, the greater threat. I have stated that for the vast majority of Christian history, Christians have preached and practiced as much or more hatred and violence than Muslims have; and, that those who want to inflict violence can find "justification" for it in either "holy" book. Just as those who want to live peacefully with others can find "justification" for tolerance in either "holy" book.
 
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therealUT said:
I do not know where I have stated that some Muslims are not, currently, the greater threat. I have stated that for the vast majority of Christian history, Christians have preached and practiced as much or more hatred and violence than Muslims have; and, that those who want to inflict violence can find "justification" for it in either "holy" book. Just as those who want to live peacefully with others can find "justification" for tolerance in either "holy" book.
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Its going to be harder for Islam to come around, much harder than it was for Christianity. Both holy books are absurd, but on every corner in the Qu'ran it preaches subjugation of non-believers and infidels. Just about everything can be interpreted to be a slight against Islam, opening the door for violence.

The Bible, while still ridiculously violent and intolerant, has the NT, and things like the sermon on the mount which is a beautiful discourse on morality and human interaction, that tempers much of the bloodletting.

We seem to agree on Islam being the greater threat, but I disagree both theological teachings are equally good or bad. Islam, and the Qu'ran, give teachings that are much more pre-disposed to violence.

The interpretation and context argument doesn't apply in my opinion. Looked at with unbiased eyes, there is no way to tell who is interpreting correctly, the moderates or the extremists. The text is there and it says what it says.
 
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I learned how to shoot a rifle in a state college.
 
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rjd970 said:
Its going to be harder for Islam to come around, much harder than it was for Christianity. Both holy books are absurd, but on every corner in the Qu'ran it preaches subjugation of non-believers and infidels. Just about everything can be interpreted to be a slight against Islam, opening the door for violence.

The Bible, while still ridiculously violent and intolerant, has the NT, and things like the sermon on the mount which is a beautiful discourse on morality and human interaction, that tempers much of the bloodletting.

We seem to agree on Islam being the greater threat, but I disagree both theological teachings are equally good or bad. Islam, and the Qu'ran, give teachings that are much more pre-disposed to violence.

The interpretation and context argument doesn't apply in my opinion. Looked at with unbiased eyes, there is no way to tell who is interpreting correctly, the moderates or the extremists. The text is there and it says what it says.
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Have you read the Quran in its entirety? Or, are you basing your observation off the observations of others (who may or may not have read the Quran in its entirety)?
 
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therealUT said:
Have you read the Quran in its entirety? Or, are you basing your observation off the observations of others (who may or may not have read the Quran in its entirety)?
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I have read most of it. As well as all of the Bible.
 
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rjd970 said:
I have read most of it. As well as all of the Bible.
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The only way in which one can take take the Bible as less violent is to choose to state that nothing from the Old Testament binds once Jesus enters the picture; of course, this is awfully hard because then it brings up the question of a mutable God (of which Christians declare is immutable). Most of the "notoriously" violent passages in the Qu'ran are simply the retelling of Old Testament stories.

Moreover, many claim that Christianity was able to adapt with the Enlightenment, yet that Islam never will. Of course, they forget that it was Islam which brought the advances of science to Europe; it was Islam which reintroduced classical philosophy to Europe. Islam possesses the potential to turn that corner; furthermore, Christianity and Christians continue to demonstrate, by spreading propaganda like the picture with which I began this thread, that the "Enlightenment" corner has not yet been fully turned (for more on this, simply look at the historical origin of the Southern Baptists and their mission to Biblically defend the practice of generational slavery).
 
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An original topic for sure. The comparison of two religious books. Nevermind the behavior of the followers of each book, that is certainly not relevant.
 
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allvol123 said:
An original topic for sure. The comparison of two religious books. Nevermind the behavior of the followers of each book, that is certainly not relevant.
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Like the Christians in Uganda who execute homosexuals? Or, like the Christians in America who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion providers (in the middle of a church, nonethelesss)?

Both of these groups justify their actions through the Bible.
 
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therealUT said:
Like the Christians in Uganda who execute homosexuals? Or, like the Christians in America who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion providers (in the middle of a church, nonethelesss)?

Both of these groups justify their actions through the Bible.
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Good examples of deplorable behavior. You looking for someone on here to defend it?

But at least you stopped there. The site might not could handle you listing the deplorable acts done in the name of Islam.
 
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I get the point but the FB thing does not suggest that the two things go together. In fact it suggests that guns and bibles (Christian religion) are two distinct things with the only connection being people ought to know how to use each and neither of these pieces of knowledge are taught in schools.

The Islamic symbol is less clear on whether weapons and the religion should be connected but suggests they are linked.
 
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volinbham said:
I get the point but the FB thing does not suggest that the two things go together. In fact it suggests that guns and bibles (Christian religion) are two distinct things with the only connection being people ought to know how to use each and neither of these pieces of knowledge are taught in schools.

The Islamic symbol is less clear on whether weapons and the religion should be connected but suggests they are linked.
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Stop this. You are supposed to understand that some redneck's ability to use Facebook equates Christians to the Muslims that we supposedly hate.
 
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volinbham said:
I get the point but the FB thing does not suggest that the two things go together. In fact it suggests that guns and bibles (Christian religion) are two distinct things with the only connection being people ought to know how to use each and neither of these pieces of knowledge are taught in schools.

The Islamic symbol is less clear on whether weapons and the religion should be connected but suggests they are linked.
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Fair enough; do you think that the New Testament permits individuals to kill others? If not, then there is a problem with reconciling guns and the Bible; if so, then even though Jesus chose not to fight against his persecutors, Christians still have the option (and, apparently from this picture, should act on that option) to kill those who are trying to do them harm. This does not separate Christianity very much from Islam.
 
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allvol123 said:
Good examples of deplorable behavior. You looking for someone on here to defend it?

But at least you stopped there. The site might not could handle you listing the deplorable acts done in the name of Islam.
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The site definitely could not handle the listing of the deplorable acts done in the name of Christ over the past 1,500 years. Further, individuals are locked up every single day in America mainly because what they enjoy as recreation, Christians despise as sin (drugs and prostitution).
 
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therealUT said:
The site definitely could not handle the listing of the deplorable acts done in the name of Christ over the past 1,500 years. Further, individuals are locked up every single day in America mainly because what they enjoy as recreation, Christians despise as sin (drugs and prostitution).
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An yes, as consistent as ever. Nevermind current behavior.
 
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allvol123 said:
An yes, as consistent as ever. Nevermind current behavior.
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Locking people away for 10-20-30 years of their life simply because your religion does not approve of their recreation is as indefensible as killing someone for the same reason. This happens in America, right now, and the majority of Christians in America see nothing wrong with it (in fact, plenty want the penalties to be even harsher).

Moreover, what do you consider "current"? Ten years? Twenty years? One-hundred years? Two-hundred years?

It is convenient for the pro-Christian, anti-Islam individual to restrict violence that Christians have committed and justified through the Bible to certain time-periods and/or certain regions. It certainly makes the greater history of barbaric cruelty that is the history of organized Christian religion more palatable, right?
 
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therealUT said:
Locking people away for 10-20-30 years of their life simply because your religion does not approve of their recreation is as indefensible as killing someone for the same reason. This happens in America, right now, and the majority of Christians in America see nothing wrong with it (in fact, plenty want the penalties to be even harsher).

Moreover, what do you consider "current"? Ten years? Twenty years? One-hundred years? Two-hundred years?

It is convenient for the pro-Christian, anti-Islam individual to restrict violence that Christians have committed and justified through the Bible to certain time-periods and/or certain regions. It certainly makes the greater history of barbaric cruelty that is the history of organized Christian religion more palatable, right?
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You win. I cannot defend every law in America, thus you are correct, modern day Christianity is just as harsh as modern day Islam. There essentially is no difference than my famile and me living in the US or living in some random nation that follows Islam.
 
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therealUT said:
furthermore, Christianity and Christians continue to demonstrate, by spreading propaganda like the picture with which I began this thread, that the "Enlightenment" corner has not yet been fully turned (for more on this, simply look at the historical origin of the Southern Baptists and their mission to Biblically defend the practice of generational slavery).
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Speaking of Southern Baptists and corner turning:

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I met a woman the other day who told me there was no difference between Islam and Christianity.

I then asked her "can I do anything at all to prove you wrong and you wont be upset?"

She said yes.

So I then said "welcome to Islam" as I put a Burka over her.

When she yelled out "what the hell are you doing?" I then threw her to the ground and began kicking her and threw some rocks at her while I yelled "dont you talk to me like that you inferior POS. I am a MAN. No go home and make me a sammich."

I was told that on her way home she was raped but since there were not 4 witnesses she couldnt prove it. That and we were in NJ and the judge there already clearly stated its a mans right to rape his wife if they're Islamic.

I love playing the islam vs christianity game. Tomorrow's game involves cutting off the heads of infidels. Good times. Good times.
 
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