So we can all admit now, Bernie Sanders should've been president.

[volinbham]

If you looked at the proposal it would have. but you probably didn't.

TANSTAAFL

It's called cost shifting.

 

[VolunteerAlumni]

TANSTAAFL

It's called cost shifting.

so the current system is better IYO?

 

[UTCVol]

If you looked at the proposal it would have. but you probably didn't.

I looked at it. So did every single economist, even devout liberals like Krugman. Almost every single one of them thought the numbers released by the Bernie campaign were complete BS.

 

[volinbham]

"MAJOR SAVINGS FOR FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES
Bernie’s plan will cost over $6 trillion less than the current health care system over the next ten years.

The United States currently spends $3 trillion on health care each year—nearly $10,000 per person. Reforming our health care system, simplifying our payment structure and incentivizing new ways to make sure patients are actually getting better health care will generate massive savings. This plan has been estimated to save the American people and businesses over $6 trillion over the next decade.

The typical middle class family would save over $5,000 under this plan.

Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee.

The average annual cost to the employer for a worker with a family who makes $50,000 a year would go from $12,591 to just $3,100."

from his website.

From his website? Must be legit.

Remember how "experts" told us ACA would lower the health insurance costs for average families by about 2K annually?

How'd that work out?

 

[theFallGuy]

Yep, whether you liked him initially or not, you have to admit he is better than the two running now.

-wasn't tied up by super pacs or lobbyists
-Best temperament
-Best stamina
-Actually has been consistent on all his issues for 40+ years
-Very experienced
-No email scandals, miss usa, trump university, etc etc
-Actually cares about this country

so. hold this L America, you called my man Bernie old when Hillary is the one sick.

absolutely not. Worse candidate I've ever seen.

 

[volinbham]

so the current system is better IYO?

ACA? No.

There are plenty of ways to improve the system. Universal care (assuming we are talking insurance and not actual care) might even be one.

I'm addressing the naivety of thinking such a move yields the kind of savings Team Bernie (and apparently some of his acolytes) claim. It's fantasy.

 

[VolunteerAlumni]

ACA? No.

There are plenty of ways to improve the system. Universal care (assuming we are talking insurance and not actual care) might even be one.

I'm addressing the naivety of thinking such a move yields the kind of savings Team Bernie (and apparently some of his acolytes) claim. It's fantasy.

Well. my whole point of the thread is that bernie is the better option of the two current candidates we have now.

and hillary would keep the ACA as it is. and she's 95% likely to be the next president, 5% being if she drops dead

 

[tumscalcium]

I looked at it. So did every single economist, even devout liberals like Krugman. Almost every single one of them thought the numbers released by the Bernie campaign were complete BS.

They are complete bs. Bernie supporters are ignorant af.

 

[tumscalcium]

Well. my whole point of the thread is that bernie is the better option of the two current candidates we have now.

and hillary would keep the ACA as it is. and she's 95% likely to be the next president, 5% being if she drops dead

Are you giving her just a 5% chance of dropping dead?

 

[theFallGuy]

Well. my whole point of the thread is that bernie is the better option of the two current candidates we have now.

and hillary would keep the ACA as it is. and she's 95% likely to be the next president, 5% being if she drops dead

well then your point fails miserably.

 

[theFallGuy]

giving out more "free" stuff is not competent government policy and is actually quite idiotic

 

[VolunteerAlumni]

Are you giving her just a 5% chance of dropping dead?

yeah considering the fact that the democrats likely have already constructed a hillbot in case something happens.

 

[volinbham]

Well. my whole point of the thread is that bernie is the better option of the two current candidates we have now.

and hillary would keep the ACA as it is. and she's 95% likely to be the next president, 5% being if she drops dead

There are 4 candidates.

Hillary will not keep ACA as it is - it will not survive without changes. I'm sure it will morph into something worse.

If it can't be Johnson (and it can't), I'd take Bernie or Trump or Stein over Clinton since the three will be ineffective at implementing much policy and increase the odds that we have a major political reset.

Hillary is the most dangerous candidate since she can effect the most policy change given her connections and leverage.

 

[VolunteerAlumni]

giving out more "free" stuff is not competent government policy and is actually quite idiotic

agree to disagree. public schooling seems like a good idea. in this day and age a college degree is what you need

 

[VolunteerAlumni]

There are 4 candidates.

Hillary will not keep ACA as it is - it will not survive without changes. I'm sure it will morph into something worse.

If it can't be Johnson (and it can't), I'd take Bernie or Trump or Stein over Clinton since the three will be ineffective at implementing much policy and increase the odds that we have a major political reset.

Hillary is the most dangerous candidate since she can effect the most policy change given her connections and leverage.

so like I said, you want bernie to be president

 

[LouderVol]

so the OP is a single issue voter? wonderful

 

[n_huffhines]

Yep, whether you liked him initially or not, you have to admit he is better than the two running now.

-wasn't tied up by super pacs or lobbyists
-Best temperament
-Best stamina
-Actually has been consistent on all his issues for 40+ years
-Very experienced
-No email scandals, miss usa, trump university, etc etc
-Actually cares about this country

so. hold this L America, you called my man Bernie old when Hillary is the one sick.

None of those qualities necessarily mean he'd be a good president. It's all about policies and he's just as bad as Trump and Clinton.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

$$$$$$

 

[1972 Grad]

Either way just know you all are going to get Hillary's policies which are basically Bernie's policies anyways. so have fun lol.. Hillary is pushing for free college ;')

Are you more than one person?

 

[hog88]

Poor bernie. Wants everyone to be able to get an education if they work hard and have healthcare if they need it, terrible human IMO

Everyone can get an education for free now. If Bernie gave a **** his plan would have been to bolster the level of a high school education so a kid wouldn't have to go to college to be employable.

 

[UTCVol]

Everyone can get an education for free now. If Bernie gave a **** his plan would have been to bolster the level of a high school education so a kid wouldn't have to go to college to be employable.

Yep. The whole charade was a ploy to attract millennials.

 

[tumscalcium]

OP with a nice troll job to shake things up this week. Haha

 

[Mac Boles]

The problem with democrats is they believe the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere its been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

 

[tumscalcium]

The problem with democrats is they believe the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere its been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

Indeed.

 

[volprof]

What scandal is miss USA?

That lying whore?

No basket of deplorables in the Trump camp, folks. Just misunderstood men with a lot of well-meaning anger of which they're not responsible. Every one else is.