So, what is UConn doing to prevent turnovers which we aren't?

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DaddyChoc said:
then its tournament time... its just UConn and the best of the Best, whats the excuse then. Weak conference but cant duck teams during March Madness. all that SOS crap doesnt mean jack, play ball
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No doubt. But it is fair in looking at a season statistic to take into account the SOS. UConn still wins it all, but their stats would look worse against better opposition. In short, if we are looking at it from the standpoint of improving UT and seeing where we stand, SOS is something we need to take into account and it is not necessarily a knock on UConn since either way they are the measuring stick. We are just trying to determine how big that stick is.

I would also be curious to know if UConn fans don't worry in their heart of hearts that playing in a generic, store brand conference after the realignment won't eventually hurt them. Do they even have an intra-conference rival anymore with Rutgers and Louisville leaving?
 
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I think that UConn's lack of in-conference competition has been overstated - at least in terms of UConn's ability to maintain such a high level of performance. Auriemma teaches a system of play that has little to do with the opponent. A more legitimate concern - too many of the games are boring. I believe that may be one factor responsible for their continued attendance slide.
 
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All this talk about a weak schedule has me puzzled. According to Massey UConn's SOS was No 1 at the end of the season. Weak? Massey uses a weighted system that counts games against elite teams more than weak games. UConn had many games against top 10 teams. Realtime's rating in mid March had UConn at No 19, despite it's weak conference. There must be at least 75 teams in the big 5 power conferences and yet despite their very weak AAC schedule UConn had a higher SOS than about 60 of those teams.

As far as the games being boring, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Admittedly, UConn's games tend to be one-sided but if you look, their games against Duke, Louisville, Stanford, et al were also one-sided. But I find watching efficiently played basketball by one team a lot less boring than a 53-49 game with 50 fouls, 50 TO's and where the 2 teams combine to shoot 25%. That is the reality of much of wcbb and to me it's unwatchable. UConn plays a fast pace style and never takes a possession off on either end of the court.

UConn didn't ask for the AAC, it was the result of football decisions. I'd like them to be in a conference where wbb is supported to a greater degree. But as long as UConn can schedule a couple of good OOC games in Jan and Feb it will be little different than playing in any of the power football conferences, none of which has more than 2 or 3 teams that can stay within 20 points of UConn.

Of course if someone watches UConn and roots for them to lose to every opponent it may be tough to sit through an entire game. I used to do that with Wooden's Bruins and many times I turned the game off. But it wasn't from boredom but rather out of frustration.
 
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cmford said:
The different is Geno is getting the better players now. That is the different now nothing else. Pat use to get the better players and she was kicking butt, now Geno is getting the players and he is kicking butt. It has very little to do with coaching. Its Holdclaw, Catching, @ Parker for Tenn and Turasi, Moore @ Bird from UCONN. You can go back and look at last year team stats for both teams. UCONN average 11 turnover and force 16, Tenn average 16 turnover and force 15. Now look at the strength of schedule. When UCONN played teams that was quality teams (Notre Dame-Louisville) they turnsover rose to average 15 per game. When they play that powerful SMU team their turnover goes down. Its going to be like this for awhile because of that powerful conference UCONN is in. Geno plays teams he don't even practice for. So I say to you wonderful LADY VOLS fake fans Geno is not a better coach he gets more talent than anyone now. It will change just like it change for Pat. When the lady vols get back on top don't jump back on the band wagon.:pepper:
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You do not need superstars to have an excellent, intelligent basketball team. That is nonsense. Stop being an apologist for our lousy coaching. We've got a bench full of high-school All Americas--and we ALWAYS do. Everybody on the team, every year, was a highly ranked recruit. Are you telling me that they can't be taught to play smart basketball and to produce more assists than turnovers? Please.

Are you telling me that you needs superstars to play good, fundamental basketball? Coaching has EVERYTHING to do with our problems. Do you recall the national title game between Ct. and UT when Taurasi was a senior? She was playing with a bunch of inexperienced, young players. UT, meanwhile, had a talented and much more experienced team. We lost. Coaching. PS was never a good offensive coach--the only time we ever have a good offense is when we have superstars because she could never coach team offense. If you can't coach good team offense with 9 players who were all ranked among the top 50 recruits in America than you are not a very good offensive coach. And our offensive coaching has been below average for about 20 years. Warlick is just like PS in that regard.

PS emphasized defense and rebounding from beginning to end of her career--and that was enough for a long time because the offenses and offensive players in women's basketball were not good for a long time. But that is no longer the case, and hasn't been for more than a decade. You need to be good and smart with the basketball.

Look at ND: they've been kicking our butt for years now. Anybody who knows ANYTHING about basketball can see that McGraw and her staff are easily better than Warlick and our staff. We have had recruiting issues, but we've also had very noticeable coaching issues.
 
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I don't think people understand what the new conference alignment means yet for UConn.

So I will ask again. Who is their conference rival now?
 
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Voluble2 said:
I don't think people understand what the new conference alignment means yet for UConn.

So I will ask again. Who is their conference rival now?
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The best possibility is South Fla. They play UConn as tough as any team not named Notre Dame. Not exactly a rivalry but they were ranked higher last year than Vandi or Georgia and UConn has been playing them for several years.

UConn's rivals are Duke Notre Dame and Stanford.
 
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cmford said:
The different is Geno is getting the better players now. That is the different now nothing else. Pat use to get the better players and she was kicking butt, now Geno is getting the players and he is kicking butt. It has very little to do with coaching. Its Holdclaw, Catching, @ Parker for Tenn and Turasi, Moore @ Bird from UCONN. You can go back and look at last year team stats for both teams. UCONN average 11 turnover and force 16, Tenn average 16 turnover and force 15. Now look at the strength of schedule. When UCONN played teams that was quality teams (Notre Dame-Louisville) they turnsover rose to average 15 per game. When they play that powerful SMU team their turnover goes down. Its going to be like this for awhile because of that powerful conference UCONN is in. Geno plays teams he don't even practice for. So I say to you wonderful LADY VOLS fake fans Geno is not a better coach he gets more talent than anyone now. It will change just like it change for Pat. When the lady vols get back on top don't jump back on the band wagon.:pepper:
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Do you know why uconn has such a low turnover rate?? Because they have a great coach who recruits the right players for his system. he holds them accountable for their mistakes, no matter if their are all Americans are not. That kind of discipline is what Tennessee is sorely lacking right now. I'm a lady vol can thru and thru, since I was a kid, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Geno is a great coach. Pat was a great coach. Just because they get great players doesn't make them any less of a coach. Just look at what kind of players duke gets. you would think they would be final four contenders every year, but it's just not the case. A really good argument could be made that coaching, or lack there of, is to blame.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I don't think people understand what the new conference alignment means yet for UConn.

So I will ask again. Who is their conference rival now?
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I guess the answer is no one right now. Is that what you were looking for?

But my question would be, does it matter?

A rivalry only exists when both teams can win over an extended period of time. Who has that been in conference against Uconn over the last 20 years?

I would say that RU during the Vaughn, Ajavon, Carson and Prince for a couple of years. And certainly the last 4 years makes ND a rival.

Other than that Uconn has only lost 18 conference games in the last 21 years with 10 undefeated conference season and 6 seasons with only one loss.

How has this lack of conference competition impacted Uconn? 9 NC's.

Uconn's rivals will come from continued OOC games Stanford and ND. And while they don't beat Uconn, Duke and RU, who both might have OOC games against Uconn might be close to a rivalry.

I think this it totally overplayed.
 
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Bellevue vol said:
So with equal talent, who is a better coach? Geno or Muffet.
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Not easy to say because they build their teams differently. Geno likes front line players who can shoot from outside while MM likes guards who can get inside to score. MM plays a 3 guard offense designed to penetrate for layups and ft's. GA uses less dribble-drives and more behind-the-arc shooting to open up the paint. Whatever team is assembled will favor one over the other. There can never be equal talent.
 
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Why are UT fans always carping about ct.'s easy conference. It's not about conferences: How many times out of the last 30 years as UT won the SEC? 25? Our season is essentially all about the Sweet 16/Elite 8 games: we get a high seed, we win the first two NCAA games (often playing at home) and then it's the next two that define the season--and for a while now we've been losing either the 3rd or 4th round games while ct. breezes through those games to the final four, and often breezes through the final four too. We need a steely coach who can build teams that are both talented and tough. We've been lacking in both respects.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Muffet. She does more with less. I wish she was here. With the resources at Tennessee, she would dominate Geno every year.....
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I agree, mostly because I don't like Geno, but I do believe that Geno has the most talent in the country. The fact that Muffet has been able to beat him, with significantly less talent speaks to her ability. I find it easier to root for Muffet than Geno. I think as more teams step up, it will be harder for Geno to grab all the top talent.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Muffet. She does more with less. I wish she was here. With the resources at Tennessee, she would dominate Geno every year.....
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Auriemma is 32-8 lifetime vs McGraw. Hardly dominating. Even after beating UConn 3 straight in 2012/13 she couldn't get it done when it counted.

She has 1 NC (14 years ago) to Auriemma's 9.
If you look at her coaching results over the years it seems as if she is destined to always be the bridesmaid - at least as long as Auriemma is around.
 
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brassie said:
Auriemma is 32-8 lifetime vs McGraw. Hardly dominating.
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Read the question genius. No one said McGraw dominated Geno. It was asked how she would fair IF she had equal talent. At no point in the UConn-ND series has the Irish equal or more raw talent.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Read the question genius. No one said McGraw dominated Geno. It was asked how she would fair IF she had equal talent. At no point in the UConn-ND series has the Irish equal or more raw talent.
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Ask ND fans and they would disagree the last few years.

In Diggins four years, the gap was very slim.

That being said, McGraw is an excellent coach. Right there with Geno.
 
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doggydaddy said:
In Diggins four years, the gap was very slim.
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And not coincidentally, that's the one time Notre Dame had a clear upper hand in the series winning 7 of 8 at one point and 2 of 3 National Semifinal matchups. Given comparable talent, McGraw beats Geno more than she loses IMO. That's why I wish she was here....
 
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What is stopping any other coach from getting UConn-level talent?

There is a reason so many talented players go to UConn. Some talk like Geno only wins because he has all the talent. That talent had a choice. They turned down better academic schools, more prestigious schools and schools with better campuses and climates in order to be coached at UConn by Geno.

Turner, Loyd, Allen and Reimer were all highly thought of HS players. Notre Dame is a poor example of a team that is bereft of talent. Poor Muffet, she only has one NHSPOY and a 1st team AA who still has 2 years left to go with another 6 or 8 McDAA's. :rolleyes:
 
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he is a good coach,but shouldn't all this Geno love be posted on a UConn forum ?I'm sure all the UConn fans would like this love fest for him

CPS doesn't like him,so i don't either, if you haven't noticed,this is a Orange and White Board :hi:


as all ways Go Lady Vols :clapping:
 
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governmentmule said:
he is a good coach,but shouldn't all this Geno love be posted on a UConn forum ?I'm sure all the UConn fans would like this love fest for him

CPS doesn't like him,so i don't either, if you haven't noticed,this is a Orange and White Board :hi:


as all ways Go Lady Vols :clapping:
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Agreed.
 
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governmentmule said:
he is a good coach,but shouldn't all this Geno love be posted on a UConn forum ?I'm sure all the UConn fans would like this love fest for him

CPS doesn't like him,so i don't either, if you haven't noticed,this is a Orange and White Board :hi:


as all ways Go Lady Vols :clapping:
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I'm not sure it's as much as a love fest as it is vol fans pondering how we can be a much more diciplined basketball team. I think it's ok to look to uconn as an example because year in and year out they are always leading or nearly leading in key stat categories. they always seem to take care of the ball and play excellent team defense, two areas where the lady vols have badly floundered the last few years.

I enjoy our uconn friends posting..it creates more interesting discussion here in the threads. if you visit the boneyard, you will notice how incredibly active their boards are. I hope the lady vol volnation forum will eventually become just as active as their forum is and having fans from different opponents posting here is a good step in that direction. Also, the uconn fans that have been posting here have been respectful as I would hope our fans would be if we participated in their forums
 
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those boneyard dogs need to free all us banned posters if they want quality discussions.. :)

work on that doggydaddy, plz.
 
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