So who’s going to be coaching at USC next year?

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VolArmy74 said:
I didn't say they didn't win. McKay arrived at USC in 1958, they got caught for major violations in 1959 and were on probation his first several years there. They had been caught in 1957 too. They are one of of most penalized programs in NCAA history.
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Yes they received two years probation in 1959, the year before McKay took over as Head Coach. During his 16 years as HC there weren’t any NCAA violations to speak of. So apparently you can win big at SC without major cheating going on.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Yes they received two years probation in 1959, the year before McKay took over as Head Coach. During his 16 years as HC there weren’t any NCAA violations to speak of. So apparently you can win big at SC without major cheating going on.
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He was on the staff when the violations happened. The NCAA was very famously turning a blind eye to everything going on in Southern California in the 1960s.

But even giving them McKay, in the last 50 years every coach that has won big there was cheating even bigger.
 
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Boston Vol said:
They don’t care, yet the Coliseum was packed to the brim when Pete Carroll had them rolling. It’s one of the top 3-5 jobs in the country. And no I don’t think Reggie Bush and his family taking money from a street agent is a major cheating scandal.
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Anytime wins have to be vacated, I'm sorry but that is a major scandal. Add in Bush's Heisman was also vacated. Wasn't that a first and only?

Old Pete played the Hollywood game to make them a popular ticket. Wasn't there a whole "lack of institutional control" charge in there also?

Sadly enough, Pete bolting before the hammer fell set in motion a series of events which has doomed Vol football for 12 years-and counting.
 
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stolitonic said:
Anytime wins have to be vacated, I'm sorry but that is a major scandal. Add in Bush's Heisman was also vacated. Wasn't that a first and only?

Old Pete played the Hollywood game to make them a popular ticket. Wasn't there a whole "lack of institutional control" charge in there also?

Sadly enough, Pete bolting before the hammer fell set in motion a series of events which has doomed Vol football for 12 years-and counting.
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Reggie Bush and his family took money from a street agent. The NCAA claimed that USC assistant Todd McNair “knew or should have known” about the money that Bush and his family took. Of course this is complete BS, as assistants are not required to know the living situations of their player’s family. That’s why earlier this summer the NCAA finally settled a defamation lawsuit that McNair had brought against them. And yes, Pete Carroll brought in an extra coach for three weeks during spring practice one year.

I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have been punished, but I don’t buy the argument that you have cheat to win big at SC. I mean, you have to cheat to a certain extent to win anywhere, but I don’t think what happened at SC was anything that serious and the penalties were more a reflection on how SC handled the case and the Trojans history of violations.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
yeah, he wants them, and they want him. problem is they would have to wait until after the nfl season. it's bad timing. they would have to go with a one year interim coach until after the nfl season, and either way that turns out would be a loss for usc. if the interim kills it, they would be stuck with him, and if he tanked, they would lose a whole season waiting on bien...
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Wrong. Coach O was an undefeated interim and the team wanted him to stay, he wanted to stay. SC Admin told him to kick rocks. The interim being successful will play no part in their deciding next HC. However their pc administration and their squeaky clean AD know they better get a winner in there fast or they're gone. SC has more money than Notre Dame and that money talks. It's why they kept Helton thru this rocky period of pay to enter, that's behind them now. SC is a football and baseball school first their admin knows that they have to get this hire right. SC recruits itself almost, get a good coach in there and they return to national prominence almost over night.
 
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Remy said:
Wrong. Coach O was an undefeated interim and the team wanted him to stay, he wanted to stay. SC Admin told him to kick rocks. The interim being successful will play no part in their deciding next HC. However their pc administration and their squeaky clean AD know they better get a winner in there fast or they're gone. SC has more money than Notre Dame and that money talks. It's why they kept Helton thru this rocky period of pay to enter, that's behind them now. SC is a football and baseball school first their admin knows that they have to get this hire right. SC recruits itself almost, get a good coach in there and they return to national prominence almost over night.
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Not that it would have mattered because he wasn’t going to get the full time gig regardless, but Orgeron wasn’t undefeated in 2013, he lost to both Notre Dame and UCLA.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Yes they received two years probation in 1959, the year before McKay took over as Head Coach. During his 16 years as HC there weren’t any NCAA violations to speak of. So apparently you can win big at SC without major cheating going on.
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Uh that was 45-60 years ago, Army could win then too.
2021 is a different world
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Short version, the school is ****. The school never wanted Ed, the school is going to get what it wanted. Shitshow. Imagine the administration hoping its coach loses. The whole school is ****, and not talking just sports.

Nasty people.
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Poor Ed. To bad It couldn't happen to a even a worse person. Well I guess it did . Ed.
 
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Here's an interesting comment from an article about USC's demise. Seems to confirm what most of us believe happens in recruiting.

“USC always is gonna be ranked top 10 in recruiting but that’s because when you commit to USC you’re all of a sudden ‘a great’ recruit,’” one of the former assistants said. “We had coaches in the building who knew the guys at (the recruiting sites) and they’d call them, ‘Hey I need you to rate this kid as a 4-star before I take his commitment.’ That’s the way that stuff works.

If we signed 25 kids there were 10 of them that were that way. We had so many (four and five-star guys) who were just terrible. We signed one five-star linebacker and he would’ve been a really good player 30 years ago when it was just going from A-gap to A-gap but not these days when you gotta go tackle perimeter screens now and go sideline to sideline. Look at all those cats that Alabama is running around with. Saban turns down 10 five-stars a year because he knows they’re not good enough.”

How USC crashed a 'friggin' Ferrari' of talent, and what it means for the next head coach
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Urban . Suddenly finds out that the climate in Florida has been reason for the issues with his heart all along.
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Fla St is desperate and would love Meyer. They may have no choice but to fire Norvell. Wonder if they’d take a shot at Kiffin? The path to the playoff is a lot easier there.
 
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USC be biting off knee caps... aaaarrrrrrgggggg.

got to say, I have no idea how he would get out of an nfl contract at this point in the season, but if USC is using him as a smoke screen, it's a real bad look.
 
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