Socialism?

#26
#26
Yeah, the founders really fought a revolution to pay for free loaders who don't want to work.
 
#27
#27
next thing dave will tell us is that stalin wasn't a communist sicne he didn't fit in the wikipedia definition.
 
#32
#32
There is a difference between "promote the general welfare" and "provide the general welfare". I know the difference is hard to grasp for some. :wacko:
 
#33
#33
They certainly aren't promoting my general welfare when they take almost a fourth of what I earn to spend on art museums, studying the mating habits of geese and flying old, dried up hippies and their families back and forth from San Fran to DC.
 
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#34
J-P said:
There is a difference between "promote the general welfare" and "provide the general welfare". I know the difference is hard to grasp for some. :wacko:
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LG knows the difference...he is just stirring the pot....he is a conservative in real life
 
#35
#35
The Constitution makes no mention of the Air Force so politicians use the "common defence" clause as justification.

The Constituition makes no mention of health care so politicians use the "general welfare" clause as justification.

What's the difference? They are just using the vague wording to get what they want.
 
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J-P said:
They certainly aren't promoting my general welfare when they take almost a fourth of what I earn to spend on art museums, studying the mating habits of geese and flying old, dried up hippies and their families back and forth from San Fran to DC.
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It's allll about you, isn't it? It's always about you!

:p
 
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Chattaben said:
The Constitution makes no mention of the Air Force so politicians use the "common defence" clause as justification.

The Constituition makes no mention of health care so politicians use the "general welfare" clause as justification.

What's the difference? They are just using the vague wording to get what they want.
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You honestly do not see the need for an air force?

Would you rather it go back to the army air corps?

Health is not a need.... defense is.
 
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#39
OrangeEmpire said:
You honestly do not see the need for an air force?

Would you rather it go back to the army air corps?

Health is not a need.... defense is.
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Yes, I do see a need for an Air Force. My brother is currently serving in the USAF where he is currently in balmy Balad, Iraq. The point was to show that the Constituiton does not mention many things that the government is currently involved in. Neither party is consistent in "sticking to what the Constituiton says"

But I do believe that defense and health are both needs in our society.
 
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VolInMn said:
It's allll about you, isn't it? It's always about you!

:p
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Well, it is the fruit of my labor and creativity, it is my property that is being taken by the threat of force while I and those I work for sacrifice and suffer hardships. That was enough to stir up the Son's of Liberty, so I guess I'm in very good company. :rock:
 
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Chattaben said:
Yes, I do see a need for an Air Force. My brother is currently serving in the USAF where he is currently in balmy Balad, Iraq. The point was to show that the Constituiton does not mention many things that the government is currently involved in. Neither party is consistent in "sticking to what the Constituiton says"

But I do believe that defense and health are both needs in our society.
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So we should just forget all about what our ancestors fought and died for and allow the un-Constitutional trampling to continue? So what if we pass liberty and prosperity on to our children and grand-children, so long as it got passed down to us, let's take it easy and not make waves...
 
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J-P said:
They certainly aren't promoting my general welfare when they take almost a fourth of what I earn to spend on art museums, studying the mating habits of geese and flying old, dried up hippies and their families back and forth from San Fran to DC.
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In a way, it must be nice to view the world in such simple terms.
 
#44
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Chattaben said:
Yes, I do see a need for an Air Force. My brother is currently serving in the USAF where he is currently in balmy Balad, Iraq. The point was to show that the Constituiton does not mention many things that the government is currently involved in. Neither party is consistent in "sticking to what the Constituiton says"

But I do believe that defense and health are both needs in our society.
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Military is granted for the gov't to take care of.

Health care is not something that the gov't even needs to breath on.
 
#45
#45
lawgator1 said:
In a way, it must be nice to view the world in such simple terms.
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It is simple. It's just that some folks start equivocating and prevaricating to confuse the issue and take advantage of whatever suits them. :yes:

Besides, I consider myself to be fairly representative of the hard working, sane people in this country. :birgits_giggle:
 
#46
#46
J-P said:
So we should just forget all about what our ancestors fought and died for and allow the un-Constitutional trampling to continue? So what if we pass liberty and prosperity on to our children and grand-children, so long as it got passed down to us, let's take it easy and not make waves...
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Your right. Lets start by getting rid of everything that the Constitution does not mention:

-Lets sell the National Parks to private people and industry.
-Disband the Air Force
-Kick the freeloading, socialist old folks off Social Security and Medicare. Let them starve and die in the street. Maybe it will motivate them to get a job and be productive in society
-Repeal the Patriot Act which is a massive assault on our freedoms and liberties.
-Get rid of the US Dept of Ed and repeal all the educational reforms from years past and leave it to the states.
-Do away with the other forms of socialized medicine like the VA

I dont remember seeing any of these things when I read the Constitution, so lets get rid of them
 
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Chattaben said:
The Constitution makes no mention of the Air Force so politicians use the "common defence" clause as justification.

The Constituition makes no mention of health care so politicians use the "general welfare" clause as justification.

What's the difference? They are just using the vague wording to get what they want.
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What's the difference? They had Doctors when the Constitution was written but they didn't have airplanes.

Chattaben said:
I dont remember seeing any of these things when I read the Constitution, so lets get rid of them
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I agree. Let the states/private entities provide them if they feel it's needed. That is actually in the Constitution
 
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#48
#48
Chattaben said:
Your right. Lets start by getting rid of everything that the Constitution does not mention:

-Lets sell the National Parks to private people and industry.
-Disband the Air Force
-Kick the freeloading, socialist old folks off Social Security and Medicare. Let them starve and die in the street. Maybe it will motivate them to get a job and be productive in society
-Repeal the Patriot Act which is a massive assault on our freedoms and liberties.
-Get rid of the US Dept of Ed and repeal all the educational reforms from years past and leave it to the states.
-Do away with the other forms of socialized medicine like the VA

I dont remember seeing any of these things when I read the Constitution, so lets get rid of them
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I'd actually be down with that.
 
#49
#49
I'd be down with killing medicare, social security, the dept of edu, national parks. Most of those programs would fall under the authority of the states and could be taken care of by churches and private charity just like it was before those programs were put into effect.

The VA isn't socialized medicine because it is an employer provided benefit. Just like my health care plan is at work.
 
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