Some food for thought

[GoobieVol]

Well, you joined in February 2013, so why would you?

(unless of course you used to be here under a different name and changed it for some reason...)

lol, I was. Switched companies the beginning of this yr, so the email attached to old VN account was gone. But as you can see by my avi, I usually spend most of my time in the bball forum.

But from my time here last year, I don't memember many if any saying Dools was turning the program around. That ship had sailed for the most part.IMO Please correct me if Im wrong tho. :hi:

 

[Boca Vol]

Driskel had a hurt knee and was not a treat to run because of it. The back up was very mobile and have us a lot of problems.

When Driscol went down, I got a bad feeling especially when it was easy to tell that the backup was a mobile QB. The way Driscol was playing would have given us a better shot. JMO

But after playing against Oregon, I would have thought UT would have some answer for a qb that was nowhere near a mobile or could throw as well as Mariota.

I could be wrong but I would see that as an advantage to UT. Kind of like after you drive 90 mph, 70 seems slow.

 

[Velo Vol]

We are a decent QB away from being a good team. Unfortunately we probably won't see one on the field this year.

What about next year?

 

[DC Vol]

But after playing against Oregon, I would have thought UT would have some answer for a qb that was nowhere near a mobile or could throw as well as Mariota.

I could be wrong but I would see that as an advantage to UT. Kind of like after you drive 90 mph, 70 seems slow.

Again.

UT had gameplanned against Driskel. They got 11 snaps against him and got some decent pressure. That backside pressure forced the pick-6. If he doesn't injure his foot, who knows how the game plays out and what blitz packages Jancek had drawn up to force Driskel into more poor throws. UT did very well against the UF run game on the inside. The big run

UT will be at a disadvantage against mobile QBs this year and probably next year. It's obvious that Murphy is very mobile. We lack speed and depth at LB and have young guys at CB (Swafford/Sutton/Foreman) which combine for a very poor perimeter containment. Considering UT would have had no idea who Florida's backup was, how could we possibly gameplan against him as a contingency for Driskel going down?

Especially with the defense having been on the field for 20:40 in the 1st Half alone with the Offense, again, getting a mere 6 yards and turning the ball over 4 times. With that said, the Defense put up more points than the Offense got yards in the 1st Half.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

We are a decent QB away from being a good team. Unfortunately we probably won't see one on the field this year.

Unfortunately we are more than that away, particularly on defense. We are woefully lacking in overall team speed on D and we just cannot contain the edge. Plus we don't have any elite pass rushers.

On offense we don't have ANY playmakers at all! They're either not on the team or they have yet to break out and separate themselves.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

UT outgained Florida 204 yards to 183 in the 2nd Half.

This is the 2nd time this team has had to make halftime adjustments and has.

Also, considering our team spent all this time gameplanning for a knee-sprain recovering and limited Driscoll and only got 11 plays with him under Center I'll honestly pretty well understand how drastically that changes our gameplan.

I thought our Defense played well and put this team in more than enough opportunities to win this game.

Good post. I agree. I thought we played fairly well, aside from the turnover fest on offense.

Here were our biggest problems in my view, in order of importance:

(1) Speed on defense - killing us against fast teams; Murphy really exploited this weakness
(2) Thin secondary - didn't hurt as much vs Florida but killed us against Oregon
(3) QB play - Worley is good enough to manage the game, but not good enough to win it
(4) WRs - our WRs are still a weakness, but they do seem to be rapidly improving

On the bright side, our guys are finally tackling. It seems like it's been half-a-decade (at least) since our guys were decent at that. We looked poor vs Oregon on this front, but looked good for most of the game vs. Florida. Worley seems to have found his groove a bit during the 2nd half. He's still far, far from a world-beater, but good to see some improvement and sense of urgency (which I never saw vs Oregon).

Unfortunately, the speed issue is going to take a few years of recruiting to fix. I still think we have an outside shot at a big upset, but even if we go 5-7 or 6-6 this year, I'm more optimistic about the future of the program from seeing our progress over the past few games.

 

[iKrager]

Murphy was a 2 star.. No way he will ever win a game

Eric Fisher disagrees

 

[Boca Vol]

Again.

UT had gameplanned against Driskel. They got 11 snaps against him and got some decent pressure. That backside pressure forced the pick-6. If he doesn't injure his foot, who knows how the game plays out and what blitz packages Jancek had drawn up to force Driskel into more poor throws. UT did very well against the UF run game on the inside. The big run
.

If this is your argument then our coaches are horrible!

I don't think our coaches are horrible. I thing your argument is that weak.

You have to prepare for all sorts of things. Murphy isn't Oregon's qb. I know the Oregon game didn't turn out all that great but the coaches surely figured out what went wrong and could create some sort of plan.

We've heard a ton about in-game adjustments from this staff...well? Where was it?

 

[DC Vol]

If this is your argument then our coaches are horrible!

I don't think our coaches are horrible. I thing your argument is that weak.

You have to prepare for all sorts of things. Murphy isn't Oregon's qb. I know the Oregon game didn't turn out all that great but the coaches surely figured out what went wrong and could create some sort of plan.

We've heard a ton about in-game adjustments from this staff...well? Where was it?

At this point, I'm pretty sure you're not in here to have a legitimate discussion.

 

[Boca Vol]

At this point, I'm pretty sure you're not in here to have a legitimate discussion.

Yes, I am. I just don't agree with you.

 

[DC Vol]

Yes, I am. I just don't agree with you.

Fair enough, getting 6 yards in one half and then 204 in the other half against Florida is a good sign of adjustments.

Lets just start there.

 

[KBVol]

I'm not sure how UF losing Driskel made UT's job more difficult.

Anyway, while there were some positives, I found myself thinking and saying the same things about UF. It doesn't matter if the coach was Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, or Jones, the same crap happened.

In the 3rd quarter, on UF's 1st drive, after UT pulled to within 7, Florida faced a 3rd and 10 around mid-field. I made the comment that there is a 100% chance UF converts this. Sure enough, the play was a 31 yard completion. To add insult to injury, UT challenged the call and lost.

Intstead of getting the ball back down 17-10, UF went on to score. Same old UT vs. UF.

THIS.... and I'm convinced this will never, ever change in our lifetimes. Death, taxes and our annual loss to Florida.

 

[Boca Vol]

Fair enough, getting 6 yards in one half and then 204 in the other half against Florida is a good sign of adjustments.

Lets just start there.

I thought we were discussing the D. You know, UF's backup QB and having no answer for him when we just saw a bigger & faster version the week prior.

 

[DC Vol]

I thought we were discussing the D. You know, UF's backup QB and having no answer for him when we just saw a bigger & faster version the week prior.

Way to completely avoid the question in your quest for a legitimate discussion.

 

[armchair]

When talking about our yardage in the second half, you have to factor in the fact that the florida defense, with a big lead, no doubt let up a bit. Every defense does when they are comfortably ahead in the second half. Recall that our offense with Bray & Co. moved the ball nicely and scored often when were were way behind in games. And then when had changes to win late or tie, what did the offensive do? NOTHING. It is easy to move the ball when you are behind by 14 or 21 points starting the 4th quarter. Do it when it matters.

 

[oregonvol]

lol, I was. Switched companies the beginning of this yr, so the email attached to old VN account was gone. But as you can see by my avi, I usually spend most of my time in the bball forum.

But from my time here last year, I don't memember many if any saying Dools was turning the program around. That ship had sailed for the most part.IMO Please correct me if Im wrong tho. :hi:

Here's a sampling:

Dooley has shown a lot improvement. Even thou our players weren't ready to beat UF and UGA yet, We wen't toe to toe with them....

Seriously? There have been improvements. Without the validation of a "big" win, I don't think it is enough. But there have been pretty significant improvements in the program and roster.

:ermm:we've had 190 yards agianst UGA and 213 against MSU big improvement by the beef eaters up front moving people of the line.

All you "Fire Dooley" douches need to go jump on the Tide bandwagon. Remember where they were between Stallings and Satan.

We are vastly improved over where we were when CPF Got canned.

It's not going to be a quick fix, but we are headed in the right direction!

We were competive this year against teams all ranked in the Top 15. We have the best O-line in the country. Best receivers in the country. Our talent has improved EVERY YEAR.

...for much much more, please google "Titan&Volfan4life" & "KoachKletus"

 

[DC Vol]

When talking about our yardage in the second half, you have to factor in the fact that the florida defense, with a big lead, no doubt let up a bit. Every defense does when they are comfortably ahead in the second half. Recall that our offense with Bray & Co. moved the ball nicely and scored often when were were way behind in games. And then when had changes to win late or tie, what did the offensive do? NOTHING. It is easy to move the ball when you are behind by 14 or 21 points starting the 4th quarter. Do it when it matters.

If anything, you should have mentioned the injury to Purifoy and the ejection of #24 as to why our Offense had an easier time moving the ball. That would have been a far more legitimate counter-point than saying they let up and let us score.

Their starters were in the game well through our 2nd to last possession late into the 4th Quarter.

I will say that their Offense started playing to run the clock down starting with their 3rd to last possession which does change the overall stats our Defense gave up in the 4th but has no bearing on how UT would move on their Defense.

 

[DC Vol]

Here's a sampling:













...for much much more, please google "Titan&Volfan4life" & "KoachKletus"

To be fair, that 2010 UT team was decent. Playing LSU tough on the road and then winning out in November and getting to a bowl had people (even me... I wasn't a proponent of the Dooley hire at all) thinking Dooley could get UT on track.

I never thought Dooley would be a long-tenure championship guy but I did think he'd be like Shula was for Alabama and get a 10-win season in his 3rd year (we certainly had the Offense for it) to lose them all (which we did) to the NFL and get fired in his 4th.

I honestly didn't think he was going to be as atrociously bad as he was.

 

[Orange Blazer]

Our QB isn't the problem, it's our WRs not running the correct routes and the QBs are having to adjust to misplacement.

Are you high? Our QB play is terrible.

 

[oregonvol]

To be fair, that 2010 UT team was decent. Playing LSU tough on the road and then winning out in November and getting to a bowl had people (even me... I wasn't a proponent of the Dooley hire at all) thinking Dooley could get UT on track.

I never thought Dooley would be a long-tenure championship guy but I did think he'd be like Shula was for Alabama and get a 10-win season in his 3rd year (we certainly had the Offense for it) to lose them all (which we did) to the NFL and get fired in his 4th.

I honestly didn't think he was going to be as atrociously bad as he was.

Every quote I posted was from the 2012 football season.

 

[jordan4vols]

Here is some more food for thought for those that expect to immediately compete and can't see this season for what it is as a building block....


Bama brought in some subs at the end of their game against Colorado St...the backups to their first and second and even some third string guys. One was a 5* RB, One was a 5* QB and the other was a 4/5* WR. It will take some time recruiting a little bit.

 

[oregonvol]

Here is some more food for thought for those that expect to immediately compete and can't see this season for what it is as a building block....


Bama brought in some subs at the end of their game against Colorado St...the backups to their first and second and even some third string guys. One was a 5* RB, One was a 5* QB and the other was a 4/5* WR. It will take some time recruiting a little bit.

How do you recruit those guys if you don't have a proven big name coach and you don't win?

 

[jordan4vols]

How do you recruit those guys if you don't have a proven big name coach and you don't win?

He is currently doing it

 

[oregonvol]

He is currently doing it

His last signing class finished behind Vanderbilt. We don't know who will stay committed for 2014. The depth Alabama has built is the result of years of recruiting. You can't expect to continue to finish highly in recruiting year after year if you don't start winning first.

 

[jordan4vols]

His last signing class finished behind Vanderbilt. We don't know who will stay committed for 2014. The depth Alabama has built is the result of years of recruiting. You can't expect to continue to finish highly in recruiting year after year if you don't start winning first.

You honestly can't be that stupid... I refuse to believe it