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[bleedingTNorange]

Still no reason that you can't get stokes open looks and clearouts, or at least set it up where there is an easy kickout. Have to get that done. Basketball is always about missed or made shots.

Oh I agree, but we are missing WIDE open 3's. I mean we are getting good looks for skylar, wide open shots last night and he's 1-7, c'mon. He's supposed to be our weapon, our deadly shooter and he's down to about 29% now. As a team we are shooting 28% from three, that's just Fugly.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If it actually happened, no one. I don't have any problem with people being frustrated that the team can't shoot, even if CCM can't fix it.

Me either.

I was about to smash the tv EVERYTIME skylar threw up a brick, so frustrating. Wide open shots, he could square up all he wanted....CLAAAAANG.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Oh I agree, but we are missing WIDE open 3's. I mean we are getting good looks for skylar, wide open shots last night and he's 1-7, c'mon. He's supposed to be our weapon, our deadly shooter and he's down to about 29% now. As a team we are shooting 28% from three, that's just Fugly.

Yeah, he has to hit 2-3 more of those shots, but if we are planning on scoring by getting him twice as many shots as Stokes, we are not running a good offense.

 

[cncchris33]

It's not the system - it's the personnel in the system. Poor point guard distribution - poor assist to turnover ratio - poor outside shooting - poor free throw shooting - poor rebounding - poor offensive execution - great defense - great hustle.

Mayman would make a huge difference - if we could quit clanging all the 3 pointers it would make a difference - most last night were not even close - clanging off the outside back corner of the rim - clanging off the backboard - just horrible, horrible outside shooting.

I agree we are poor or great in all areas you mentioned with the exception of rebounding. We are generally a pretty good rebounding team (defensively moreso than offensively), and that is minus maybe our best rebounder in Maymon. As a team, we are currently +5 avg for the season, which*is roughly twice as good as we finished last season with Maymon. Of course, we have yet to play some of the better teams on our schedule, and rebounding games like last night will kill your average.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yeah, he has to hit 2-3 more of those shots, but if we are planning on scoring by getting him twice as many shots as Stokes, we are not running a good offense.

Agree with that as well.

Don't understand why we don't get him the ball at 18 feet and let him work more, he usually does good things.

 

[TennesseeFan07]

I see that on Kenpom. Is that where you got that? Vandy doesn't shock me but Florida does. They've only had 2 games with 66 or more possessions.

I saw it on Sports Reference.

 

[calban]

Might not be exciting for those that like points.
We have had few games that I've been able to sit back and watch.
Still edge of the seat basketball.
I am amazed that we're 8-3 and top 50 rpi.
Good sign if we can pull out the win over Memphis.

 

[volbeast33]

Why? You don't enjoy making the tourney 11 years a row and consistently in the sweet 16?

Yeah that sounds fine but that is the limit for a Wisconsin style team.

What I want for cuonzo here at Tennessee is to consistently make the tournament and have the feeling that if the breaks went right we could eventually ompete for a championship.

Teams like Wisconsin and purdue have a limit that they can possibly reach.....no I do not want to be like Wisconsin. I like Zo and don't know what level he is capable of reaching yet......I do have concerns though about his coaching and recruiting. I am, however, pleased to be 8-3 right now no matter how we got there.

 

[VolGee4]

Zone offense and defenses intrigue me. Up until the late 80's (pre-3 point shot) teams broke the zone with crisp passing and cutting. Then came the 3-point line and it seems that 3 point offenses have devolved to simply "shooting them" out of it. No offense, just make 3's or don't make 3's.

As for defense, for the reasons I just mentioned, I think a team could win a lot of games by 3/4 court pressure to simply burn clock in the back court and then just play a mix of zones. Sure, some teams are going to light you up but there are just so many teams that just struggle vs zone defenses.

That is why I get frustrated when CCM won't play much zone. There are certain times when zones are very successful, especially against teams like us who do not shoot well from outside. You also use it to mask individual defensive weaknesses and even to give your guys a breather to change the pace of a game. One thing you have to teach your guys in a zone is to find a body to block out in rebounds. Another is the proper communication and rotation when penetration is made. As a good 3 point shooter, I love when playing against a zone. It is hard for me to get my own shot so a zone helps me. Also you don't see them played much at the college level but a box and one and triangle and two can be successful when the opposing team has only one or two very good scoters. I think defensive strategy is very interesting.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yeah that sounds fine but that is the limit for a Wisconsin style team.

What I want for cuonzo here at Tennessee is to consistently make the tournament and have the feeling that if the breaks went right we could eventually ompete for a championship.

Teams like Wisconsin and purdue have a limit that they can possibly reach.....no I do not want to be like Wisconsin. I like Zo and don't know what level he is capable of reaching yet......I do have concerns though about his coaching and recruiting. I am, however, pleased to be 8-3 right now no matter how we got there.

I don't know what limitations you're referring to with Ryan and Wisconsin? They've been to the elite 8 in his tenure, that's the furthest UT has ever been under any coach. Once you get that far it really becomes more about luck and matchups than anything else.

 

[volbeast33]

I don't know what limitations you're referring to with Ryan and Wisconsin? They've been to the elite 8 in his tenure, that's the furthest UT has ever been under any coach. Once you get that far it really becomes more about luck and matchups than anything else.

That elite eight run, the highest seeded teams they played was 10. Yes they did good and had several good teams but they had limitations. they feast on teams that are not good offensively. When they play decent-good well rounded teams, Wisconsin and teams like them struggle to keep up.

If that is our style of play, then we will never ever compete for the championship. I realize we may not any ways but we need to feel like we can compete for one.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That elite eight run, the highest seeded teams they played was 10. Yes they did good and had several good teams but they had limitations. they feast on teams that are not good offensively. When they play decent-good well rounded teams, Wisconsin and teams like them struggle to keep up.

If that is our style of play, then we will never ever compete for the championship. I realize we may not any ways but we need to feel like we can compete for one.

I've seen many say Pearl's style had elite 8 or final four limitations as well, many said that style would never win a championship, but many seemed happy with his results.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I think if you're good enough to make multiple sweet 16s and elite 8, then you have the capability of making a championship run if the matchups work out.

 

[volbeast33]

I've seen many say Pearl's style had elite 8 or final four limitations as well, many said that style would never win a championship, but many seemed happy with his results.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I think if you're good enough to make multiple sweet 16s and elite 8, then you have the capability of making a championship run if the matchups work out.

I just think those kinds of teams are fools gold but I hope u r right if that is destined to be our style of play.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I just think those kinds of teams are fools gold but I hope u r right if that is destined to be our style of play.

We may never make a championship, there's a long list of great coaches who never have, and some bad coaches who actually have lol.

I think a lot of how far you get in the tourney is luck and matchups. If you're in the tourney every year and making sweet 16's consistently I'd feel good about getting a good draw at some point and making the final four....and from there anything can happen.