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madbamahater said:
Most modern day men's team are not "fundamentally sound" like they were 60 years ago. Not to the point of relying on that nearly entirely. The men's sport is ruled by athleticism and which team has the better athletes. This may be the case for UCONNs women's team. But he goes out and finds the best lay up shooters and free throw shooters in the country.

He just simply isn't out scheming or out coaching anyone, man, come on...

Two entirley different sports and you know it.

He doesn't coach men's bball for a reason. He probably also beats his wife, if he even has one.....
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Your last part of your statement is stupid. Prove He beats His wife.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Totally, and I mean Totally, different game between men's and women's college basketball
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The men's game may be played at a different level physically, but the basic fundamentals are still the same.

Why did women's coaches like Pat and others learn from men's coaches like John Wooden, Dean Smith, and Pete Carrill if the games are not similar? You still run the same half-court offenses, and you still teach the same basic defensive principles to defend those offenses.

But hey, it's a difference of opinion. Some LV fans don't want to give Geno any credit. I get that. I don't care for him personally either. But the man can coach.
 
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Muffett McGraw is not even close to being equal to Geno as a coach and never will be. Nine championships to one, and UConn has dominated their last three meetings. And Staley has never made it past the Sweet Sixteen.
 
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Along with the fundamentals Auriemma teaches team basketball and he recruits players that buy into that. His philosophy on offense is get the ball to the player that has the best shot.

All you have to do is look at the assist stats. Year after year UConn ranks in the top 1-3 teams. Compare this year's assist stats for top teams - then look far down the list for UT.
 
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Geno was asked in an interview, espn or something like that, would he ever go to the men's side (within the last 5 years). He did not rule it out but said it would have to be the perfect situation and he mentioned Duke.

Coach Mike is 67. Geno is 60. Coach Mike will stop coaching around 70. (health permitting) then call it quits. Geno will be approaching his late 60's. At that age, no way he would ever leave. Geno isn't going anywhere (health permitting). I understand his logic on this, the only other option to go to the men's side would be Syracuse. But it ain't happening.
 
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I wouldn't overplay this. It was a good win, and we thought they would have the edge, and they were at home, and they shot 73 percent from 3-pt. But the season wasn't over when that team lost to Stanford, and they haven't been crowned undisputed champions because they won a regular season game.
 
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meekfan said:
I thought their men's team also won last year. . . Am I mistaken?
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And that will be their last for a while, you know the ceating scandal. All you uconned-me sympathizers stuff that in your pipes and smoke it. geno is a super douche. :bad:
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The men's game may be played at a different level physically, but the basic fundamentals are still the same.

Why did women's coaches like Pat and others learn from men's coaches like John Wooden, Dean Smith, and Pete Carrill if the games are not similar? You still run the same half-court offenses, and you still teach the same basic defensive principles to defend those offenses.

But hey, it's a difference of opinion. Some LV fans don't want to give Geno any credit. I get that. I don't care for him personally either. But the man can coach.
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The dude is an ass who starts **** with women. He isn't a man at all. He is a punk at best. He is scared to coach men, he has openly turned down the oppurtunities to do so......

The similarities between men and women's basketball:

*Both played on a court
*Both envolve a ball known as a basketball (different sizes)
*Both have a goal with a basket on each end.
*Both require 5 and only 5 players of each team on said court at a time (10 total)
*Both are played within the same rules and regulations when it comes to how each game is supposed to be officiated.

Other than these similarities, the two couldn't be more different........
 
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madbamahater said:
The dude is an ass who starts **** with women. He isn't a man at all. He is a punk at best. He is scared to coach men, he has openly turned down the oppurtunities to do so......

The similarities between men and women's basketball:

*Both played on a court
*Both envolve a ball known as a basketball (different sizes)
*Both have a goal with a basket on each end.
*Both require 5 and only 5 players of each team on said court at a time (10 total)
*Both are played within the same rules and regulations when it comes to how each game is supposed to be officiated.

Other than these similarities, the two couldn't be more different........
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OK. I'll submit the floor to the self-proclaimed expert.:clap: The same guy who accused Geno of being a wifebeater with absolutely nothing to support that statement.
 
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SGMVols said:
Geno will rule the sport until he decides to retire. Just the way it is.

Pat Summitt built women's basketball, but Geno Auriemma brought art to it. He's just flat out better at teaching the game than everyone else.
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What Auriemma is able to teach better than anyone is a relentless killer instinct. UConn's women don't take plays off. They WANT to beat you by 50 and they are never complacent. Basically it's the ability to turn basketball players into ninja assassins.
 
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lonelawyer said:
What Auriemma is able to teach better than anyone is a relentless killer instinct. UConn's women don't take plays off. They WANT to beat you by 50 and they are never complacent. Basically it's the ability to turn basketball players into ninja assassins.
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Not sure if you watched "The Geno Project" after the game, but he was asked if toughness could be reached, to which Geno replied, that the coaches could put players in situations which would bring their level of toughness out, but overall, I think he insinuated that toughness couldn't necessarily be taught...you either have it or your don't. Gene and Chris Daly also noted that it was getting more and more difficult to find the "type" of player they were looking for. Simply stated, you can have the best coaches in the world, but if your players are mental midgets then it just isn't going to work. That's one reason why UConn (and other schools) lose some players along the way...the players just do not have what it takes or are willing to give what it takes to succeed following that particular coaches regimen.

So in short, it's just not the coaching ability of the Head Coach, it is also the ability to recruit the players with the most competitive spirit and will to be the best they can be (in addition, of course to being highly skilled). In this regard, there is truly a noticeable difference in the type of players UConn & the LV's recruit. It is my opinion, but that most LV players would never cut it with Geno.
 
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That ninja assassin comment is an example of the silly hyperbole I was warning against. They are (with a few exceptions) remarkably consistent, and that's about it. But consistency is the way to go when you have the top recruits.
 
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Concept said:
That ninja assassin comment is an example of the silly hyperbole I was warning against. They are (with a few exceptions) remarkably consistent, and that's about it. But consistency is the way to go when you have the top recruits.
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They also consistently win National Championships, including the last two, and barring a huge upset will add another one this year....
 
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What separated them from USC last night was their defensive effort. They work harder on the defensive end than anyone and then that feeds their offense. We used to work that hard on the defensive end and are OK but not at the level Pat used to demand. Also, on the offensive end UCONN moves better, passes better, and sets screens better than any other team in the women's game. Probably ND is a close second in that regard but don't have the athletes UCONN has. USC has the athletes but not the coaching.
 
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lonelawyer said:
What Auriemma is able to teach better than anyone is a relentless killer instinct. UConn's women don't take plays off. They WANT to beat you by 50 and they are never complacent. Basically it's the ability to turn basketball players into ninja assassins.
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I agree, almost. I saw some of their players interviewed and what i got out of it was they want to beat you on the next play and the next and the next. I don't think they look at the score or the clock. They are focused only on the possession at hand. Some of our girls would benefit from a little of that attitude.
 
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orangeluvr said:
CHW could take a few coaching from Butch Jones, she rarely has a player to transfer. :question:
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I believe that Holly is too much of a rah, rah coach. I do not see a lick of killer instinct in her. So how can you teach what you do not possess? Most of the time when players come out of a game, no matter if they were good or bad, she either pats them on the back or on the rear. I have never seen her read a player the riot act. Whether we like it or not more successful coaches exhibit the personality of Geno, Mulkey, and Staley than like Holly. Even Muffey get in her players' faces when they are not playing their best. It is much softer than Geno, Mulkey or Staley but it is there. Holly just does not seem very aggressive. It almost appears that she does not want to piss the players off.
 
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There's a lot of truth to the comment that the toughness and killer instinct are already in the players he recruits. I know this is going to come out wrong, but if you look at the Lady Vols, compared to UConn, Notre Dame and Baylor's players, you can see a difference. We seem to be lacking in the aggression and intimidation department.
 
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lonelawyer said:
There's a lot of truth to the comment that the toughness and killer instinct are already in the players he recruits. I know this is going to come out wrong, but if you look at the Lady Vols, compared to UConn, Notre Dame and Baylor's players, you can see a difference. We seem to be lacking in the aggression and intimidation department.
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Breanna Stewart played soft for much of her freshman year. So did Tina Charles. I truly believe that Geno builds it into his players as much as he benefits from someone like Taurasi or Maya Moore coming in who is the complete package.

What I don't see from UConn players on the court (the bench is a different story), is the constant celebrating after every little play...especially against conference bottom feeders. Players like KML will pump their fist after hitting a three with a hand in their face, but the UConn players don't seem to jump up and down just because they got an "and 1" against a team with a losing record that doesn't belong on the court against them. They are not in your face. They don't intimidate with posturing. They just get it done.

Contrast that with Tennessee last year, who were like the classic schoolyard bully. They were all in your face, as long as you were a 70 lb weakling, but would cower when faced with someone who was willing to push back. They've all but eliminated that this year, which has helped them IMO against the teams who can match them with talent. In spite of the loss to ND, I thought that they played with composure...which is not the case after the first 20 minutes of last year's game. What they need to start doing is stop playing down to the level of their competitor. No way should the same team that scored 77 points against ND barely find a way to muster 54 against Wichita State.
 
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volfanIND said:
Geno was asked in an interview, espn or something like that, would he ever go to the men's side (within the last 5 years). He did not rule it out but said it would have to be the perfect situation and he mentioned Duke.

Coach Mike is 67. Geno is 60. Coach Mike will stop coaching around 70. (health permitting) then call it quits. Geno will be approaching his late 60's. At that age, no way he would ever leave. Geno isn't going anywhere (health permitting). I understand his logic on this, the only other option to go to the men's side would be Syracuse. But it ain't happening.
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Seems kind of strange that he wouldn't have mentioned the 'perfect situation' as the UConn men's team. That would definitely have been the smoothest and most logical transition when Calhoun retired and the easiest sell to fans. Of course there is no way Duke or Syracuse would consider hiring a career long women's coach for their men's team. That's ridiculous. If he wanted to challenge his coaching skills, he would have asked for a shot at coaching the UConn men's team when Calhoun left but Geno is more comfortable coaching women where there is a much smaller pool of elite players for him to hoard.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Seems kind of strange that he wouldn't have mentioned the 'perfect situation' as the UConn men's team. That would definitely have been the smoothest and most logical transition when Calhoun retired and the easiest sell to fans. Of course there is no way Duke or Syracuse would consider hiring a career long women's coach for their men's team. That's ridiculous. If he wanted to challenge his coaching skills, he would have asked for a shot at coaching the UConn men's team when Calhoun left but Geno is more comfortable coaching women where there is a much smaller pool of elite players for him to hoard.
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I don't know if Geno commands the same respect that Pat did from their men's programs...both coaches and fans. Even though I think he would do a good job with the men's program, I don't think he would've been accepted by the fanbase.
 
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BMvol27 said:
Muffett McGraw is not even close to being equal to Geno as a coach and never will be. Nine championships to one, and UConn has dominated their last three meetings. And Staley has never made it past the Sweet Sixteen.
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When Geno was Dawn's age he had only coached his team to one Final Four. When Dawn is 60, going on 61 then that conversation will be valid. UCONN has 6 McDonald's All-Americans and USC has 4. Of USC's 4, however, 3 are freshmen and 1 is a sophomore. UCONN will be hard for any team to beat while Geno is there, but he can't coach forever.
 
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I would say that McGraw IS equal to Geno as a coach or close to it--and better than our staff. But she certainly doesn't recruit as well as Geno; nobody does now. McGraw's talent base was pretty average for a long time. She now gets some very good players--better than ours in some cases, but she doesn't recruit at his level.
 
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