Southern Baptist Leaders Take Unusual Step of Urging Fight Against Climate Change

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TennTradition said:
I've been lurking and waiting for my moment :)

I was talking to my uncle earlier today and he said, "Well, great!! Not only are there sins of omission and sins of submission...now there are sins of emission!" :eek:lol:
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I believe TJ and Clinton beat 'em to the punch.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I believe TJ and Clinton beat 'em to the punch.
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TJ??? ummm....can't think of who that is.

I asked him if he thought of that on his own...it sounded too good! He either forgot that he had heard it before or lied through his teeth...either is quite possible :)
 
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TennTradition said:
TJ??? ummm....can't think of who that is.

I asked him if he thought of that on his own...it sounded too good! He either forgot that he had heard it before or lied through his teeth...either is quite possible :)
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Thomas Jefferson

He and Clinton aren't the only Chiefs with 'emission' problems, I am sure.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
as a southern baptist, i'm embarrassed that they think that global warming exists.
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I want some atheist to defend them for supporting a belief in global warming (which is debateable weather it exists) and attack them on their belief in God. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I want some atheist to defend them for supporting a belief in global warming (which is debateable weather it exists) and attack them on their belief in God. :birgits_giggle:
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actually it would be better to knock them for picking/choosing which science they believe and which they reject (like evolution)
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Just curious, why comments about organzied religion?
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because invariably, one organized religion or denomination will seek to tell it's congregates that it is the one true way. Catholics are convinced that only they are going to heaven while some Baptists think that if you're seen drinking a beer at a bowling alley you're going straight to hell.

Then there are the people who lead double lives. The ones who's families are completely dysfunctional and in some cases criminally so, yet they show up every Sunday and purport to have a relationship with Christ.

I know that sounds overly cynical and I don't want to paint with such a broad brush because I know that there are congregations and denominations out there that aren't like that.
 
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MG1968 said:
Catholics are convinced that only they are going to heaven
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I must not have read the same edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church as you. The edition I have read, studied, and been taught for my entire life actually leads me to believe that Catholicism is probably the organized religion with the most inclusive view of Heaven.
 
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therealUT said:
I must not have read the same edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church as you. The edition I have read, studied, and been taught for my entire life actually leads me to believe that Catholicism is probably the organized religion with the most inclusive view of Heaven.
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sure, as long as you confess your sins to a priest who may or may not be a pedophile.
 
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MG1968 said:
because invariably, one organized religion or denomination will seek to tell it's congregates that it is the one true way. Catholics are convinced that only they are going to heaven while some Baptists think that if you're seen drinking a beer at a bowling alley you're going straight to hell.

Then there are the people who lead double lives. The ones who's families are completely dysfunctional and in some cases criminally so, yet they show up every Sunday and purport to have a relationship with Christ.

I know that sounds overly cynical and I don't want to paint with such a broad brush because I know that there are congregations and denominations out there that aren't like that.
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Have you had bad church experiences?
 
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MG1968 said:
sure, as long as you confess your sins to a priest who may or may not be a pedophile.
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Do you want me to tell you how extremely ignorant that statement was or are you already well aware of that fact? If you want to discuss the pros and cons of Catholicism, I will be happy to have that discussion. If you want to continue to throw out BS (which by the way, there are plenty of Ministers and Rabbi who have been convicted of sexual assault against children) then enjoy...

I would prefer you educate yourself.
 
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you're right, TRUT, I do paint with too broad of a brush. although I will continue to view organized religions with a cynical eye.
 
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yes, they are.

and, before anybody starts wildly speculating, my cynicism started in my teenage years when one of my best friends had parents who were so caught up in their church and so strident in their ways, that none of their kids entered adulthood without some type of psychological issue.
 
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MG1968 said:
you're right, TRUT, I do paint with too broad of a brush. although I will continue to view organized religions with a cynical eye.
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Fair enough. However, I have usually found that the best cure to cynicism is a little research. If you want to know what the Catholic Church expects its members to believe, please read:
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I tried to read the catechism in high school...but that was not easy. Do they have a cliff notes version...seriously?

I like the Catholic Church alright...I actually find that I have my most meaningful church experiences when in certain portions of the Catholic mass. I, however, am still caught up on the blood/body issue, so I haven't moved toward "conversion."

I've hopped along to a lot of types of churches over the years...I tend to like that.....most of the time :)
 
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Well, the current edition of the Catechism is much like a Clifs Notes for all the scripture and theological works of literature that the Church has used to refine the Doctrine and Dogma.

I have no problem with people who have a hard time accepting the Transfiguration of the Eucharist. One must try to get in touch with the mystic part of life to truly believe that. I do take umbrage with those who very ignorantly blast the Catholic Church for things in which they know little to nothing about.

I am not trying to convert anyone here (as Judaism alone surpasses Catholicism as the least evangelical of religions, in my opinion). However, I am more than open to engage in constructive and healthy discussion of religion with anyone.

And, for any and all who might question whether or not I am open or closed minded concerning other religions, I simply refer you to my defense, in just the past week, of both Scientology and Islam (neither of which I have any stake in, whatsoever).
 
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therealUT said:
have no problem with people who have a hard time accepting the Transfiguration of the Eucharist. One must try to get in touch with the mystic part of life to truly believe that. I do take umbrage with those who very ignorantly blast the Catholic Church for things in which they know little to nothing about.
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I long regarded the Eucharist as a useful symbol. I've since come to like the idea of containing the essence of God...making the wine like His blood and the bread like His body. This is more than a symbol...it contains the essence...or a part of..which is a powerful idea. I don't know what the official position of the Church his....but if that is it..then we're OK. But, if we are saying it is blood...well...give me about 5 minutes and I can prove it isn't blood. I've argued the latter with people....who contend it is blood. As such...I haven't been willing to consider a conversion since it is such a central part of belief.
 
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therealUT said:
Well, the current edition of the Catechism is much like a Clifs Notes for all the scripture and theological works of literature that the Church has used to refine the Doctrine and Dogma.

I have no problem with people who have a hard time accepting the Transfiguration of the Eucharist. One must try to get in touch with the mystic part of life to truly believe that. I do take umbrage with those who very ignorantly blast the Catholic Church for things in which they know little to nothing about.

I am not trying to convert anyone here (as Judaism alone surpasses Catholicism as the least evangelical of religions, in my opinion). However, I am more than open to engage in constructive and healthy discussion of religion with anyone.

And, for any and all who might question whether or not I am open or closed minded concerning other religions, I simply refer you to my defense, in just the past week, of both Scientology and Islam (neither of which I have any stake in, whatsoever).
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You have a hard on for Tom Cruise....

:)

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TennTradition said:
I long regarded the Eucharist as a useful symbol. I've since come to like the idea of containing the essence of God...making the wine like His blood and the bread like His body. This is more than a symbol...it contains the essence...or a part of..which is a powerful idea. I don't know what the official position of the Church his....but if that is it..then we're OK. But, if we are saying it is blood...well...give me about 5 minutes and I can prove it isn't blood. I've argued the latter with people....who contend it is blood. As such...I haven't been willing to consider a conversion since it is such a central part of belief.
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If it is OK with you, TT, I will simply provide the Catechism's reference to the Body and Blood, and let you come to your own conclusion, as to the Catholic Church's stance. It is much too long to post here, without boring everyone half to death, or creating a heated discussion with a passerby who has neither the energy nor the inclination to do the research themselves. Beginning at section1333 and ending with 1344, you will find the basis for the Catholic belief that it truly is the Body and Blood of Christ. I am currently drawing a blank for the word that the Church uses to describe the transfiguration in a scientific context...It will surely come to my though.
 
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