"sportsmanship" vs. running up the score

Is running up the score unsportsmanlike?


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daj2576

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I have been thinking about this for a bit, but the prelude to the UT v. Vandy game this weekend has, to me, made this a more pertinent topic.

I have seen some posts where they allege that Franklin was classless going for the last score against Kentucky. I have read others who insist that Jones should run up the score on Vandy if given the option (I fall squarely in the latter category).

It strikes me as odd the way we look at sportsmanship. My thought is that both teams volunteered to play a game. A game's point, inherently, is to determine a winner, or a loser. A loser is no less a loser, if they lose by 1 point late in the game, or fall by 45 in the first half and never gain any ground.

Why then, is it poor form to continue scoring on an opponent? Shouldn't the paradigm be that when you step between these lines, that I am going to give you all I have, until either you quit or time runs out? I expect the same from you in return. Fight fair but don't expect quarter. I will ask for none.

Many say that this idea of "sportsmanship" is to keep from humiliating your opponent. I have two things to say to that, 1) any competitor who loses is going to be hurt, that is the nature of competition and 2) isn't it more humiliating to know that your opponent didn't even have to show you their capabilities because you weren't good enough to see them?

Isn't it more respectful of your opponent, if you are the superior team, to never let off the gas? That shows that you are capable enough to not be pitied. Being shown pity should be the MOST humiliating thing a competitor will ever face, not just getting beat by a superior foe badly.

Similarly stupefying is when I see an indication of coaches who complain to their opponent about running up the score. I would say that if you are getting beat badly whether you are out-talented or out-coached, you have the ability to simply give up. Wave the white flag, call the game. Conversely, you should never expect your opponent to give up or pull back just because your team isn't competing.

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Sportsmanship doesn't mean treating your opponent like children, it means playing them as hard as you can until time runs out or they give up. Thoughts?
 
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In the poll-driven world of college football, it's kind of hard to blame a coach for running up the score. Style points affect perception.

But, I prefer to see my team's scrubs come in when the result is no longer in doubt.
 
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In the poll-driven world of college football, it's kind of hard to blame a coach for running up the score. Style points affect perception.

But, I prefer to see my team's scrubs come in when the result is no longer in doubt.

How many times have you heard "Bama only beat X team by 10-20 points"? It's ridiculous. Bama won on the road in the SEC this weekend and some media/fans think they aren't as good.
 
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In the poll-driven world of college football, it's kind of hard to blame a coach for running up the score. Style points affect perception.

But, I prefer to see my team's scrubs come in when the result is no longer in doubt.

Which players on Bama's roster are scrubs? And at what point is a game no longer in doubt? You mean that when the game is no longer in doubt (arguably not until the final buzzer), you prefer to see Bama run out fresh players who are still better than most opponents?

Its like you almost want to sound congenial and honorable, until one reads what you are really saying. lol
 
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You can only do so much of letting off the gas. I have no problem with Auburn going for the conversion against us at the end. It was all their backups. At some point the defense has to stop them. Much like that high school basketball a couple years ago. If the third string is able to run the offense, particularly the run game, what more do you want?
 
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My take is different. I think you sub when you're up big to get much needed experience for your squad.

I do not like the way things are now in college football with "style points". Oregon's 60 pt showings against inferior squads might have have gotten style points, but it didn't build depth to take on Stanford.
 
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I voted yes, but this game's another matter. I want to beat Vandy like the red-headed step child they are.
 
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If your team beats my team by over 14, you're blatantly running up the score, you unsportsmanlike lout. If, however, my team beats your team by over 28, then we're just running our offense...you can't blame us for your inability to defend. :)
 
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If you feel insulted that the opponent ran the score up on you, play defense or score more points.
 
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If youre winning that big just put in the second and third string for experience. If you keep scoring and the other team gets offended that's too bad.
 
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There's a line and it's a judgement call. Some instances are pretty clear... Urban Meyer throwing it deep and going for 2 point conversions when the game is already out of hand crosses that line.
 
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A coach's smartest move is to put the second string in and keep playing as if it were tied up. This way if your starting quarterback blows up his knee your back up will have experience and you won't have to throw a true freshman in against Alabama on the road.

I think it was Bobby Bowden who said "It's not my job to stop my offense."

...or maybe it was Confucious.
 
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If your scrubs can score at will on the team your playing whether they run or pass is it considered running up to score?

Or are you referring to throwing bombs to the end zone on fourth down up 4 touchdowns because of your hatred towards your opponent. Aka Vandy
 
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I certainly can't wait until we have to worry about such things at Tennessee again.....
 
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Continuing to run your standard offense, whatever it may be, with second- and third-team players . . . and continuing to score is one thing. What Bear Bryant did in the 1980 Tennessee-Alabama game is fundamentally different and it caused me to lose all respect for the man.

With a commanding 20-0 lead and the ball on or inside our 5-yard line, with approximately 30 seconds left, Bryant called a timeout to set up a final score which gave the tidy bowl boys a 27-0 margin of victory. In those circumstances, it is entirely appropriate to run your standard offense and, if you score, so be it. I don't expect my opponent to take a knee in that situation. What Bryant did, however, was deliberate and bush-league. You simply don't call a timeout with 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter unless it is within the context of a come-from-behind attempt for a winning touchdown.

Having nuanced the argument a bit, I will further muddy the waters and state that, for personal reasons based on 40 years of intrafamilial trash-talking, Vanderbilt is the exception to my rule on this matter. Lay thermonuclear waste to the Commodes on every opportune occasion!!!
 
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Which players on Bama's roster are scrubs? And at what point is a game no longer in doubt? You mean that when the game is no longer in doubt (arguably not until the final buzzer), you prefer to see Bama run out fresh players who are still better than most opponents?

Its like you almost want to sound congenial and honorable, until one reads what you are really saying. lol

I don't have a problem of running up the score, but if it serves my team better to play some "scrubs" to give them some game experience or prevent injury to the best players then I say that I do what benefits my team and program. If it benefits my program to get style points--go for it. I hate it when the "scrubs" come in and they just hand the ball off and go up the middle unless the objective is just protect the starters from injury.
 
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Continuing to run your standard offense, whatever it may be, with second- and third-team players . . . and continuing to score is one thing. What Bear Bryant did in the 1980 Tennessee-Alabama game is fundamentally different and it caused me to lose all respect for the man.

With a commanding 20-0 lead and the ball on or inside our 5-yard line, with approximately 30 seconds left, Bryant called a timeout to set up a final score which gave the tidy bowl boys a 27-0 margin of victory. In those circumstances, it is entirely appropriate to run your standard offense and, if you score, so be it. I don't expect my opponent to take a knee in that situation. What Bryant did, however, was deliberate and bush-league. You simply don't call a timeout with 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter unless it is within the context of a come-from-behind attempt for a winning touchdown.

Having nuanced the argument a bit, I will further muddy the waters and state that, for personal reasons based on 40 years of intrafamilial trash-talking, Vanderbilt is the exception to my rule on this matter. Lay thermonuclear waste to the Commodes on every opportune occasion!!!

Exceptions are wonderful. TRASH VANDY!!!!!!!!!!
 
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After watching teams choosing to run out the clock instead of running up the score on us multiple times this year, it has made me appreciate sportsmanship a little more. I would say it's only necessary to beat a team without purposely embarrassing them, MAJORITY of the time. If the opportunity to humiliate Vanderbilt were to present itself, I would definitely say go for it. James Franklin is a terrible person (started fights with multiple coaches after a Vanderbilt loss throughout his three years) and nothing would make me happier than seeing my Vols send James Franklin home crying.
 
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First off "sportsmanship" is not displayed on the scoreboard.

Second...It is crazy to risk star players for stats.

Third...Backups gain invaluable experience from playing in live games.

Lastly...Vuck Fandy!
 
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Continuing to run your standard offense, whatever it may be, with second- and third-team players . . . and continuing to score is one thing. What Bear Bryant did in the 1980 Tennessee-Alabama game is fundamentally different and it caused me to lose all respect for the man.

With a commanding 20-0 lead and the ball on or inside our 5-yard line, with approximately 30 seconds left, Bryant called a timeout to set up a final score which gave the tidy bowl boys a 27-0 margin of victory. In those circumstances, it is entirely appropriate to run your standard offense and, if you score, so be it. I don't expect my opponent to take a knee in that situation. What Bryant did, however, was deliberate and bush-league. You simply don't call a timeout with 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter unless it is within the context of a come-from-behind attempt for a winning touchdown.

Having nuanced the argument a bit, I will further muddy the waters and state that, for personal reasons based on 40 years of intrafamilial trash-talking, Vanderbilt is the exception to my rule on this matter. Lay thermonuclear waste to the Commodes on every opportune occasion!!!

Don't you love it when the academics like Volosaurus get down to it and wallow in the mire like the rest of neanderthals.
 

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