Stanford 2015-The end of world (or not)

[Bah Humbug]

I understand the complete board meltdown after the Baylor debacle but we have been here before. Last year, the LVs looked just as listless, just a lost, just an inept against Stanford as they did against Baylor in 2016.

I remember posting after that game that AD needed to make an immediate change and that Holly had clearly lost the program, owing to the blatant lack of effort shown by the players.

A few days later, the LVs looked like a different team and beat OSU. I still find that to be one of the most inexplicable Jekyll and Hyde moments in LV history but perhaps we can see a similar about face against Texas. I think this team will rally around Holly again. Why they would need this kind of embarrassment (again repeating history) is inexplicable to me but that seems to be there pattern.

As bad as the LVs were against Baylor, they had more than enough opportunities to at least make it a game, particularly in the 1st half. They were getting some stops in the first quarter but then they missed an inordinate number of open mid range jumpers and some bunnies. In other words, they were getting the kind of shots they would have wanted. Had they hit a decent %, the LVs would have at least made Baylor have to work a little bit to get some separation. [Believe me, I have no delusions about who the far better team was; but the LVs could have easily been more competitive]

Aside from bad shooting, the LVs were getting beat on almost all the effort plays (much like their dismal effort at Stanford 2015). That lack of effort reflects badly on Holly and her assistants (as it did last year in the Stanford loss). But, will the team rally as it did last year? On the effort side, at least, I strongly suspect that they will. Odds are, DD and others will also shoot a little better.

On the plus side, Mercedes had a good game and she did it matched up against quality bigs. So that bodes well. I liked the energy and aggression that Nared showed in the first half when she almost single handedly tried to keep the LVs in the game.

Nared's performance is what you would have expected from DD. Yes, the earlier foul trouble contributed to her woes but she missed a lot of open shots and also forced up several --- maybe in a game of H.O.R.S.E.-- prayers that indicated that she is almost trying too hard to be an impact player.

To me, this season again hinges on finding the key that unlocks DD's potential (I thought that key had been found toward the end of last season). One thing that seems apparent is that DD wants to play faster than the team as a whole. So, either the LVs need to bump up to DD's tempo or she needs to find a way to make an impact in a more deliberate offense.

And Jordan also needs to up her game quite a bit. Maybe she was rusty from her time off but she was a on-factor and the Baylor guards ran rampant.

I also think Nunn showed what her role can be. She is not a scoring presence in the paint (and will not be because she has no real post game) but she is good at boxing out; grabbing boards and being a defensive presence. She could become very important to the team as the season goes on.

These girls would be in the top 5 with a good coach.

 

[HoopDR]

I do agree, its not the end of the world. Fire Mitchell.

I just thought Diamond was better. Reynolds would be playing better. I guess we have time to see improvements.

Diamond and I would be going at each day in practice, there might be fights, Nared vs Diamond, every day, all day, after practice, just pushing each other making each other better.

Let's go Lady Vols.

That would be a HUGE step since they hardly will even speak to each other as it is.

 

[madtownvol]

This is coming from the players and coach mouth. Wow. How many times do you repeat things to your children? wuteva? Repetition is the key to success in coaching.

They are the ones who are in it every day, I will take their word over yours sorry. I am posting the quotes from the players and coaches, so maybe you all will see, that with, this team of talented players, it all begins with effort and heart.

So you can keep talking about strategies, you can have the bests strategies in the world, if your team or players ain't gonna run it, what you got. Holly is not perfect by any means, but to not think she hasn't been trying to address the problems is crazy, now she may have tried something and didn't work, we all don't know.

All we know is what they, the players, coaches and the games tell us. You can read into between the lines of the games, which we all do, but when it boils down to it it, what the coaches and players share in the interviews, do we truly get to see what's going with this team and program.

So, unless you have behind the scenes info, that u want to share, that's she's trying the same formula and failing for a higher level of success cos the season ain't over yet.

There is a major gap now, between the top 10 teams, seven games into the season, aye jumpship, the ship isn't sunkin, cos if players plays wit no effort, u don't have a ship.

So, right now, she's building her ship with Mercedes and Nared, laying the foundation of the hull.

I am going to stop responding to your post just because they are so hard to parse. Exactly, what kind of persona are you trying to present? Wuteva, wuteva, wuteva...

Over the years, inconsistent effort and players not running the game plan has been a recurrent theme of Holly's tenure. It seems like she is building her foundation on quick sand. There is no evidence that she has tried anything that has resolved the underlying tendencies or problems. At some point, it reflects on the coach. Repetition may be the key to coaching but if I keep telling you to run head first into a wall, not much gets accomplished.

At this point, it is clear that nothing, absolutely nothing, will alter your view that Holly is great and the players are mental midgets who just won't do what they are supposed (and that none of this presumed player intransigence reflects on Holly). Okay, then...

 

[bballcrazy]

OMG how many more excuses can we keep using for this young lady, just BS. Stop using your mouth and start effing focusing on helping your team. It is that simple, enough with the gods gift.

 

[mlindsay]

OMG how many more excuses can we keep using for this young lady, just BS. Stop using your mouth and start effing focusing on helping your team. It is that simple, enough with the gods gift.

And thats what I hope she does, go out like Mitchell at Ohio State and try to drop 50 every game and ignore her coach telling her to "throw it inside" to Russell, she's damned if she do and damned if she doesn't around here

 

[LVJeff]

And thats what I hope she does, go out like Mitchell at Ohio State and try to drop 50 every game and ignore her coach telling her to "throw it inside" to Russell, she's damned if she do and damned if she doesn't around here

If she performs like the player she claims she is and the team starts winning she'll get plenty of praise. We're all waiting.

 

[Pat4life]

I am going to stop responding to your post just because they are so hard to parse. Exactly, what kind of persona are you trying to present? Wuteva, wuteva, wuteva...

Over the years, inconsistent effort and players not running the game plan has been a recurrent theme of Holly's tenure. It seems like she is building her foundation on quick sand. There is no evidence that she has tried anything that has resolved the underlying tendencies or problems. At some point, it reflects on the coach. Repetition may be the key to coaching but if I keep telling you to run head first into a wall, not much gets accomplished.

At this point, it is clear that nothing, absolutely nothing, will alter your view that Holly is great and the players are mental midgets who just won't do what they are supposed (and that none of this presumed player intransigence reflects on Holly). Okay, then...

Yawns. See, why respond? A bunch of nuttin. Wuteva.

 

[madtownvol]

Yawns. See, why respond? A bunch of nuttin. Wuteva.

 

[Pat4life]

I find your lack of basketball knowledge disturbing, so we're even. wuteva?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLiibb-snuLbO4Pdtmb_OvRvFrrh6_vvDo&v=uRbbiOHq-Os

 

[madtownvol]

I find your lack of basketball knowledge disturbing, so we're even. wuteva?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLiibb-snuLbO4Pdtmb_OvRvFrrh6_vvDo&v=uRbbiOHq-Os

That clip is telling. You have two players saying that the team does not give enough effort; needs to practice more; is not on the same page defensively; is making the same mistakes as last year; are frustrated that they are in this situation; they weren't prepared for Baylor.

Yep, that is all totally on the players. Not a thing a coach could do about any of that. No sireee, the coach has nothing to do with getting players prepared, on the same page, and learning from past mistakes. Nope, I am not even sure what a coach does cause it just the players, you know wuteva, nuttin' (by the way is that to mean nothing or something to do with a lack of nuts?)

What Jamie was saying implicitly and politely was help we don't have a coach!

I think Holly is going to remain at the helm (saved by her recruiting class) but she needs to find a way to get this new crop of players off to a better and more disciplined start or else she is done by the time that group are sophomores and a lot of talent is going to be wasted.

 

[Pat4life]

That clip is telling. You have two players saying that the team does not give enough effort; needs to practice more; is not on the same page defensively; is making the same mistakes as last year; are frustrated that they are in this situation; they weren't prepared for Baylor.

Yep, that is all totally on the players. Not a thing a coach could do about any of that. No sireee, the coach has nothing to do with getting players prepared, on the same page, and learning from past mistakes. Nope, I am not even sure what a coach does cause it just the players, you know wuteva, nuttin' (by the way is that to mean nothing or something to do with a lack of nuts?)

What Jamie was saying implicitly and politely was help we don't have a coach!

I think Holly is going to remain at the helm (saved by her recruiting class) but she needs to find a way to get this new crop of players off to a better and more disciplined start or else she is done by the time that group are sophomores and a lot of talent is going to be wasted.

Be original, your just a more fancified version of a hater, oh with good grammar. And she will keep her job cos she is a good coach. wuteva? :rock:

 

[madtownvol]

Be original, your just a more fancified version of a hater, oh with good grammar. And she will keep her job cos she is a good coach. wuteva? :rock:

No, I am not a "hater."

If you checked my history, you would see I have been a Holly defender throughout most of her tenure as HC.

And I am not in the fire Holly camp; I have been around long enough to realize that quality coaches don't grow on trees. While we the LVs could hypothetically do better than Holly, they could do worse.

Holly brings the connection to Pat and the continuation of a legacy that gives her some degree of credibility and it has been an apparent asset in the recent recruiting battles. But, she is spending down these reserves of good will. These continued discombobulated performances on national television and losing to subpar programs like VT and PSU are warning signs.

The real hate is pretending that everything is hunky dory (that is called enabling). Holly is a well-paid coach of a storied program; and she is the "buck stops here" person responsible for the team's performance. That is just not Holly but any head coach shoulders the responsibility for his/her team's performance. What HW is doing is not good enough and she needs to find a better way and soon.

It is just weird that you put Holly on some kind of untouchable pedestal, unless you are a close personal friend or some such.

I want the LVs to return to their glory days and I want to see Holly lead the way to a final four and another NC, in Pat's memory. However, she has not provided much reason to believe that those outcomes are going to occur. I am hoping that she does provide some reason to believe very soon.

So, maybe you can back off the insults and name calling. Most posters on this board are devoted fans who just want to see the LVs play quality b-ball again and be considered an elite team. I agree with many other posts that we can be fully assured that Pat in her prime would have not tolerated the state of the program and that this team and its players would not be in their current disarray and lamenting that they need to give more effort. If you are really Pat4life, you should be really bothered by this state of affairs because the program is now almost the antithesis of what CPS built.

So, if you can stand to read reasoned assessments of the program's deficiencies and how that reflects on the coaching staff, then cover your eyes, put your finger in your ears (you might need an extra pair of hands) and repeat wuteva, wuteva, wuteva over and again. That will make everything all better.

 

[mlindsay]

No, I am not a "hater."

If you checked my history, you would see I have been a Holly defender throughout most of her tenure as HC.

And I am not in the fire Holly camp; I have been around long enough to realize that quality coaches don't grow on trees. While we the LVs could hypothetically do better than Holly, they could do worse.

Holly brings the connection to Pat and the continuation of a legacy that gives her some degree of credibility and it has been an apparent asset in the recent recruiting battles. But, she is spending down these reserves of good will. These continued discombobulated performances on national television and losing to subpar programs like VT and PSU are warning signs.

The real hate is pretending that everything is hunky dory (that calls enabling). Holly is a well-paid coach of a storied program; and she is the "buck stops here" person responsible for the team's performance. That is just not Holly but any head coach. What she is doing is not good enough and she needs to find a better way and soon.

It is just weird that you put Holly on some kind of untouchable pedestal, unless you are a close personal friend or some such.

I want the LVs to return to their glory days and I want to see Holly lead the way to a final four and another NC, in Pat's memory. However, she has not provided much reason to believe that those outcomes are going to occur. I am hoping that she does provide some reason to believe very soon.

So, maybe you can back off the insults and name calling. Most posters on this board are devoted fans who just want to see the LVs play quality b-ball again and be considered an elite team. I agree with many other posts that we can be fully assured that Pat in her prime would have not tolerated the state of the program and that this team players would not be in their current disarray and lamenting that they need to give more effort. If you are really Pat4life, you should be really bothered by this state of affairs because the program is now almost the antithesis of what CPS built.

So, if you can stand to read reasoned assessments of the program's deficiencies and how that reflects on the coaching staff, then cover your eyes, put your finger in your ears (you might need an extra pair of hands) and repeat wuteva, wuteva, wuteva over and again. That will make everything all better.

Very well said!

 

[Rickster]

What Jamie was saying implicitly and politely was help we don't have a coach!

That is not what she said so there is nothing implicit about it.

 

[madtownvol]

That is not what she said so there is nothing implicit about it.

Definition of implicit - capable of being understood from something else though unexpressed : implied <an implicit assumption>

Now, it is very rare to hear a player ever criticize a coach. It happens sometimes in the professional ranks and it generally creates a scandal.

So, Mercedes or Jamie or Diamond or another LV are not at all likely to cast any negative comments toward Holly in a press conference. And I believe that the players genuinely like Holly and would not want to put her under even more pressure by she suggesting that some of their problems trace to coaching.

But, when a player sits in silence when ask about why they are repeating the same mistakes from last year or is unsure why the team is not giving an effort, I would venture that the implicit assumption is that something is lacking in the guidance from the coaching staff.

When players are lost or confused about what they are supposed to be doing or have a game plan that is not working, sometimes it is hard to "give effort" because you are out of position and uncertain. If you have not had enough repetition in practice on fundamentals like boxing out, staying in position on defense, switching on the man-to-man, moving off the ball, then it is hard to magically produce those actions in a game.

Any objective watching the LVs would label them as "a poorly coached" team. As much as I loathe Doris Burke, her points about LV's deficiencies were spot on and again she stopped short of saying it, but who would be responsible for a poorly designed offense and players who are always out of position?

I am not sure why we are even debating this point. Back in the day, when Dooley was coaching the men's team, was their a big contingent of fans saying, oh he is a great, its the players who are the problem? When any program or team starts struggling, the fingers always and should point to the coach. Holly stepped into this role and is not exempt from the demands that come with it. Losing to mediocre teams and getting embarrassed on national TV would get a lot of coaches fired off. Ask Charlie Strong #nolongercoachingTexas.

As I have said, being Pat's hand picked successor and the decent track record of wins and elite 8 appearances (coupled with recent recruiting success) will buy Holly some time. But, I don't think there is any question that the clock is ticking.

 

[ladyvosl23]

Now we are not clicking over the past season and beginning of this one but what I wanna know is what is different from the team that won 30 games to this team. Holly was the coach then and im sure the same Philosophy. So what has changed? Hmmmm This group does not seem to work together. I am almost sure holly warlick is not telling them hey go in the game and just throw the ball around and just shoot the damn ball. at penn state I heard diamond tell the players to get in the gaps. But then turn around and not get in the gaps in the game . This team is undisciplined. Yes some of that falls on Holly and SOME on the players they are not expemt as well . we would have not been calling for pat job after they lost 10 games that one season. would we? Here is the issue everyone wants Holly to be PAT and she is not . It may take a while for her to find her footing but I am saying this about a coach in just 4 years won 100 games. but Because she took of lady vols the microscope is huge. IF holly had this success any where else we would be telling her to come here. AND lets be honest there is no way holly job is in jeopardy not with here resume period.

 

[Coach Jumper]

No, I am not a "hater."

If you checked my history, you would see I have been a Holly defender throughout most of her tenure as HC.

And I am not in the fire Holly camp; I have been around long enough to realize that quality coaches don't grow on trees. While we the LVs could hypothetically do better than Holly, they could do worse.

Holly brings the connection to Pat and the continuation of a legacy that gives her some degree of credibility and it has been an apparent asset in the recent recruiting battles. But, she is spending down these reserves of good will. These continued discombobulated performances on national television and losing to subpar programs like VT and PSU are warning signs.

The real hate is pretending that everything is hunky dory (that is called enabling). Holly is a well-paid coach of a storied program; and she is the "buck stops here" person responsible for the team's performance. That is just not Holly but any head coach shoulders the responsibility for his/her team's performance. What HW is doing is not good enough and she needs to find a better way and soon.

It is just weird that you put Holly on some kind of untouchable pedestal, unless you are a close personal friend or some such.

I want the LVs to return to their glory days and I want to see Holly lead the way to a final four and another NC, in Pat's memory. However, she has not provided much reason to believe that those outcomes are going to occur. I am hoping that she does provide some reason to believe very soon.

So, maybe you can back off the insults and name calling. Most posters on this board are devoted fans who just want to see the LVs play quality b-ball again and be considered an elite team. I agree with many other posts that we can be fully assured that Pat in her prime would have not tolerated the state of the program and that this team and its players would not be in their current disarray and lamenting that they need to give more effort. If you are really Pat4life, you should be really bothered by this state of affairs because the program is now almost the antithesis of what CPS built.

So, if you can stand to read reasoned assessments of the program's deficiencies and how that reflects on the coaching staff, then cover your eyes, put your finger in your ears (you might need an extra pair of hands) and repeat wuteva, wuteva, wuteva over and again. That will make everything all better.

True that.

mt is very much in HW's corner and if he is at a turning point, it is with reason, not malice.

 

[armchair]

Warlick is NOT a good coach--PERIOD. End of discussion. In fact, saying she's not a good coach gives her too much credit. She is a BAD coach. It has nothing to do with hating; it has to do with watching her and the team for four or five years. This year we have a veteran team with considerable talent--and yet we are NOT GOOD. We've lost three straight. We were bad last year--lost to teams we'd NEVER lost to before. We are bad this year--not even in the top 25. Our fundamentals are TERRIBLE. We were out of the Baylor game by the end of the first quarter!

Warlick was not qualified for this job--she was 2nd assistant, not 1st--for most of her coaching career, in a support more than coaching role. AND IT SHOWS. She does not have the personality or coaching chops for this job. She herself lacks confidence--it's been very apparent from day one. The players do not respond to her. When every year, every game, you, the coach, are explaining yet another loss by citing lack of effort, then it is clear that YOU--not the players--are the problem. That is a /massive/ red flag. The buck always stops with the coach--and yet the diehard always want to blame the players. We have a serious coaching problem. I've already written Hart myself, but I can't imagine that he's not aware of how bad the situation is. I'm sure he's going to leave this mess to the next AD, as I suppose he should if HW is entitled to a buyout. If she wer not due a buyout, then I, as AD, would relieve her of duties and consider that a good decision for the program and the athletic department before my departure. And I'd let the new AD find the next coach. Assuming Hart does not sack her, then we will be stuck with HW for at least another year

 

[mike099]

Now we are not clicking over the past season and beginning of this one but what I wanna know is what is different from the team that won 30 games to this team. Holly was the coach then and im sure the same Philosophy. So what has changed? Hmmmm This group does not seem to work together. I am almost sure holly warlick is not telling them hey go in the game and just throw the ball around and just shoot the damn ball. at penn state I heard diamond tell the players to get in the gaps. But then turn around and not get in the gaps in the game . This team is undisciplined. Yes some of that falls on Holly and SOME on the players they are not expemt as well . we would have not been calling for pat job after they lost 10 games that one season. would we? Here is the issue everyone wants Holly to be PAT and she is not . It may take a while for her to find her footing but I am saying this about a coach in just 4 years won 100 games. but Because she took of lady vols the microscope is huge. IF holly had this success any where else we would be telling her to come here. AND lets be honest there is no way holly job is in jeopardy not with here resume period.

The reality probably is that Holly will not go anywhere until after her contract is up(is this thru the 2018-19 season?). Is she smart enough to realize at the very least she needs to let one assistant go and hire the best offensive coach available?

 

[madtownvol]

Now we are not clicking over the past season and beginning of this one but what I wanna know is what is different from the team that won 30 games to this team. Holly was the coach then and im sure the same Philosophy. So what has changed? Hmmmm This group does not seem to work together. I am almost sure holly warlick is not telling them hey go in the game and just throw the ball around and just shoot the damn ball. at penn state I heard diamond tell the players to get in the gaps. But then turn around and not get in the gaps in the game . This team is undisciplined. Yes some of that falls on Holly and SOME on the players they are not expemt as well . we would have not been calling for pat job after they lost 10 games that one season. would we? Here is the issue everyone wants Holly to be PAT and she is not . It may take a while for her to find her footing but I am saying this about a coach in just 4 years won 100 games. but Because she took of lady vols the microscope is huge. IF holly had this success any where else we would be telling her to come here. AND lets be honest there is no way holly job is in jeopardy not with here resume period.

No, no one called CPS job in the season which culminated in a NC.

The 2014-15 season was an impressive, particularly considering that the team had to overcome the injury to Izzy. And that season was one in particular that I was totally team Holly and expected that the program was going to return to its glory days.

But, lots of coaches who wind up getting fired had successes earlier in their tenure. My god, how could Phil Fulmer lose his job just a few seasons after winning the NC? For whatever reason, coaches lose their edge and just can't get the job done. That is when teams and programs start talking about a need for new leadership.

But, as I have said repeatedly on this thread -- Holly has bought time because of her past record of elite 8 appearances, her status as CPS's handpicked successor, and her high ranked incoming class. But as I have said, she is spending down that good will and needs to have the team show marked improvement (and ability to compete in the elite strata) in the next to years.

SO, I am not sure what your "let's be honest: is about.

But let's be honest, sure players shoulder some responsibility but the coach is the one paid the big $ to figure how to get the team to play in a disciplined fashion. Do you really believe that our players are just inherently less coachable than the players from Baylor, Uconn, ND, Maryland, South Carolina and other top programs? Do a thought experiment, do you think this team would look different (i.e. more better disciplined, more in synch) if Dawn Staley, Tara Vanderveer or Kym Mulkey had been at the helm for several seasons?

 

[ladyvosl23]

They are not going to fire holly Warlick Period. For one Look at her record ;

4 Years 3 elite Eights 1 sweet 16 and 111 wins. Now Can we hire an Offensive analyst to refine our offense . remember going deep in the tournament pays the university. I would love nothing more than to get to a final four.

 

[Nuyoika]

They are not going to fire holly Warlick Period. For one Look at her record ;

4 Years 3 elite Eights 1 sweet 16 and 111 wins. Now Can we hire an Offensive analyst to refine our offense . remember going deep in the tournament pays the university. I would love nothing more than to get to a final four.

Maybe after Balcomb leaves South Carolina she can head over to Tennessee?

 

[governmentmule]

So you're telling me if Diamond is playing hard as she can every game with (so called) talent, if so she would, she should be the best player on the court, right? No, but her streaky shooting, inability to make layup through contact, and weak pull up jumper don't give her confidence in her game, so she blends in, as an average player, get in the gym young lady.

Will the real Diamond Deshields please stand up? What have u done for the Lady Vols lately? Not a damn thang but TALK!

don't forget all the turn overs and charges she makes either

 

[Pat4life]

No, I am not a "hater."

If you checked my history, you would see I have been a Holly defender throughout most of her tenure as HC.

And I am not in the fire Holly camp; I have been around long enough to realize that quality coaches don't grow on trees. While we the LVs could hypothetically do better than Holly, they could do worse.

Holly brings the connection to Pat and the continuation of a legacy that gives her some degree of credibility and it has been an apparent asset in the recent recruiting battles. But, she is spending down these reserves of good will. These continued discombobulated performances on national television and losing to subpar programs like VT and PSU are warning signs.

The real hate is pretending that everything is hunky dory (that is called enabling). Holly is a well-paid coach of a storied program; and she is the "buck stops here" person responsible for the team's performance. That is just not Holly but any head coach shoulders the responsibility for his/her team's performance. What HW is doing is not good enough and she needs to find a better way and soon.

It is just weird that you put Holly on some kind of untouchable pedestal, unless you are a close personal friend or some such.

I want the LVs to return to their glory days and I want to see Holly lead the way to a final four and another NC, in Pat's memory. However, she has not provided much reason to believe that those outcomes are going to occur. I am hoping that she does provide some reason to believe very soon.

So, maybe you can back off the insults and name calling. Most posters on this board are devoted fans who just want to see the LVs play quality b-ball again and be considered an elite team. I agree with many other posts that we can be fully assured that Pat in her prime would have not tolerated the state of the program and that this team and its players would not be in their current disarray and lamenting that they need to give more effort. If you are really Pat4life, you should be really bothered by this state of affairs because the program is now almost the antithesis of what CPS built.

So, if you can stand to read reasoned assessments of the program's deficiencies and how that reflects on the coaching staff, then cover your eyes, put your finger in your ears (you might need an extra pair of hands) and repeat wuteva, wuteva, wuteva over and again. That will make everything all better.

Yawns. Nice thread tho.

And if you think the only solution to the teams or the programs problem, is to fire its head coach who has been to 3 elite 8 in first four years. You are right, we dont' have sh*t to talk about. So, I will not respond anymore to this thread. But glad u don't feel that way and yes you were supportive. Its not all the coaches, its not all the players it both, its her entire staff. Holly has some work to do.

Wuteva. Now you are the spokesperson for fans of the Lady Vols program, well you don't speak for me. Pat4life.

And Pat, would be intrigued, cos she was all about people getting better, she would be curious to see how one of her disciples or former players responds too or handles adversity.

See, Pat is a winner, she didn't quit or throw in the towel when times got tough, she rolled up her sleeves and went to work. Sorry, Pat wasn't a pessimist, she believed anything was/is possible with Hard Work and Effort, the staples of Lady Vols basketball. Pat would prolly want to see how the team and Holly responds.

The end of the world for the Lady Vols, NOT, just the end of game seven.

Go Lady Vols.

 

[alexvol]

No, I am not a "hater."

If you checked my history, you would see I have been a Holly defender throughout most of her tenure as HC.

And I am not in the fire Holly camp; I have been around long enough to realize that quality coaches don't grow on trees. While we the LVs could hypothetically do better than Holly, they could do worse.

Holly brings the connection to Pat and the continuation of a legacy that gives her some degree of credibility and it has been an apparent asset in the recent recruiting battles. But, she is spending down these reserves of good will. These continued discombobulated performances on national television and losing to subpar programs like VT and PSU are warning signs.

The real hate is pretending that everything is hunky dory (that is called enabling). Holly is a well-paid coach of a storied program; and she is the "buck stops here" person responsible for the team's performance. That is just not Holly but any head coach shoulders the responsibility for his/her team's performance. What HW is doing is not good enough and she needs to find a better way and soon.

It is just weird that you put Holly on some kind of untouchable pedestal, unless you are a close personal friend or some such.

I want the LVs to return to their glory days and I want to see Holly lead the way to a final four and another NC, in Pat's memory. However, she has not provided much reason to believe that those outcomes are going to occur. I am hoping that she does provide some reason to believe very soon.

So, maybe you can back off the insults and name calling. Most posters on this board are devoted fans who just want to see the LVs play quality b-ball again and be considered an elite team. I agree with many other posts that we can be fully assured that Pat in her prime would have not tolerated the state of the program and that this team and its players would not be in their current disarray and lamenting that they need to give more effort. If you are really Pat4life, you should be really bothered by this state of affairs because the program is now almost the antithesis of what CPS built.

So, if you can stand to read reasoned assessments of the program's deficiencies and how that reflects on the coaching staff, then cover your eyes, put your finger in your ears (you might need an extra pair of hands) and repeat wuteva, wuteva, wuteva over and again. That will make everything all better.

A very reasoned and logically constructed post and well thought out but as you have found out wuteva does not respond well to any logic other than her/his own.