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#51
#51
UTChicagoV said:
Hmmm have you ever put on the pads and played a down? No? Then shut the **** up.
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I never played at the elite college level but understand UT players should be better than Akron players. There is a reason we have the training facilities and stadium with over a 100,00 seats. I will root for them and I care about them but we should all agree a University like UT requires elite athletes. I hold coaches more accountable than players. The players will always be Volunteers and would not be on the team if our coaches did not ask them to be. Coaches are paid to get the right team on the field and put together a product worthy of my alma mater.
 
#52
#52
1truevol said:
No...there really isn't, at 18 years old maybe. A 4 star may be closer to contributing early from a physical standpoint, but I've seen way too many 3 star high school atheletes do great things by the time they're juniors and seniors. In my community alone we've watched two "2 star" atheletes have great college careers and are now on the NFL. This is just in the last six years. Granted...it "looks" good on signing day for Bama fans when you sign x amount of 4s and 5s. But take Oregon for example, they have gone several years with average "star" rankings and they've managed to be pretty competitive on Saturdays!
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OMG, a few low-ranked players are good! That means they're just like 5*s!

Like I said...really, really dense.
 
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#53
#53
1truevol said:
No...there really isn't, at 18 years old maybe. A 4 star may be closer to contributing early from a physical standpoint, but I've seen way too many 3 star high school atheletes do great things by the time they're juniors and seniors. In my community alone we've watched two "2 star" atheletes have great college careers and are now on the NFL. This is just in the last six years. Granted...it "looks" good on signing day for Bama fans when you sign x amount of 4s and 5s. But take Oregon for example, they have gone several years with average "star" rankings and they've managed to be pretty competitive on Saturdays!
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It looks pretty good when they are lifting the crystal trophy as well. Oregon recruits to a system. They can get around going head to head for the type of players USC, Bama and the rest of the SEC is recruiting. Oregon was physically dominated when they played LSU and Auburn.
 
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#55
#55
85SugarVol said:
ugh..
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Ugh..........what? Tell me this...how many SEC titles or national titles did we win post 1998? Puzzling because we had "top 5" recruiting finishes for several years after that. I'm not saying 5 star guys are not legit, I am saying too many fans read too much in to those players sometimes. I mean Bryce Brown was a jewel wasn't he? The point is they often come with baggage "premadonas". Fans don't won't to hear that though. Personally I'll take a good coaching staff and a bunch of humble and hungry 3-4 star players. I promise you they'll win a lot more than they lose. The rest of you go ahead and "star gaze"..... and buy what these recruiting services are selling!
 
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thebjd said:
It looks pretty good when they are lifting the crystal trophy as well. Oregon recruits to a system. They can get around going head to head for the type of players USC, Bama and the rest of the SEC is recruiting. Oregon was physically dominated when they played LSU and Auburn.
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I'm sure you'll maintain this stance when we put our "SEC type" atheletes up against theirs this fall. I mean I can't stand Oregon, but this is going to be another humbling experience I'm afraid. But....it's just because of the system and nothing to do with their atheletes right? I'm sure we'll put as much speed on the field as they do. I mean most teams do.....right? And for the record, their defense is miles ahead of where it was when they played Auburn.
 
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#57
Well, let's see - Bama has three top recruiting classes that translated to - taDAAAHH - three NTs. UT is about no. 11 in the conference in recruiting right now, and we finished the last two years near the bottom of the conference.
Pretty accurate, if you ask me.
 
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#58
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VKAman said:
The best way to have a good team is to recruit a lot of NFL-caliber players. You have got to be kidding me.
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I kid you not! No HS player is "NFL caliber". That comes later,after they fully mature physically and mentally. Recruiting services don't have a crystal ball and can miss on a 5* just as easy as they can miss on a 2*.
 
#59
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1truevol said:
Ugh..........what? Tell me this...how many SEC titles or national titles did we win post 1998? Puzzling because we had "top 5" recruiting finishes for several years after that. I'm not saying 5 star guys are not legit, I am saying too many fans read too much in to those players sometimes. I mean Bryce Brown was a jewel wasn't he? The point is they often come with baggage "premadonas". Fans don't won't to hear that though. Personally I'll take a good coaching staff and a bunch of humble and hungry 3-4 star players. I promise you they'll win a lot more than they lose. The rest of you go ahead and "star gaze"..... and buy what these recruiting services are selling!
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Smack 'em in the mouth with the truth brother!!!:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
#60
#60
oldfartvol said:
I kid you not! No HS player is "NFL caliber". That comes later,after they fully mature physically and mentally. Recruiting services don't have a crystal ball and can miss on a 5* just as easy as they can miss on a 2*.
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You're right: They can miss on a 5 star just as easily as a 2. Fact is, their batting average is pretty good on both.
 
#61
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VKAman said:
I guess this is the post I should have responded to. A class comprised mostly of 3*s isn't good enough, and that's not belittling or ragging on the players in the class. It's belittling the coaches that need to do better than that.
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OK. Would you mind holding judgment until after NSD?
Butch is working while the whiners do what they do best.
Complaining at this point is like b!tching about an overcooked steak before the waitress has even brought it to your table.
 
#62
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VKAman said:
The best way to have a good team is to recruit a lot of NFL-caliber players. You have got to be kidding me.
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Actually he's not kidding you. Oldfart and a few others on here have zero logic in their thinking. You posted facts that don't align with their "feelings" therefore you're not a "true" fan and a VFL.
Don't worry, I'm not either because I didn't think Dooley was a great coach. Haha
Hell people begged Freak to ban me from VN over the Dooley fiasco.
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#63
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1truevol said:
I'm sure you'll maintain this stance when we put our "SEC type" atheletes up against theirs this fall. I mean I can't stand Oregon, but this is going to be another humbling experience I'm afraid. But....it's just because of the system and nothing to do with their atheletes right? I'm sure we'll put as much speed on the field as they do. I mean most teams do.....right? And for the record, their defense is miles ahead of where it was when they played Auburn.
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That's the point. We haven't put a team of "SEC" type players on the field in a long time and we won't this fall either. You just proved the point.
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#66
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1truevol said:
Ugh..........what? Tell me this...how many SEC titles or national titles did we win post 1998? Puzzling because we had "top 5" recruiting finishes for several years after that. I'm not saying 5 star guys are not legit, I am saying too many fans read too much in to those players sometimes. I mean Bryce Brown was a jewel wasn't he? The point is they often come with baggage "premadonas". Fans don't won't to hear that though. Personally I'll take a good coaching staff and a bunch of humble and hungry 3-4 star players. I promise you they'll win a lot more than they lose. The rest of you go ahead and "star gaze"..... and buy what these recruiting services are selling!
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Stars matter, and the high ranked early 2000's classes brought a lot more wins than this recent bunch.
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Stars matter, and the high ranked early 2000's classes brought a lot more wins than this recent bunch.
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Absolutely...I know we did, but my point is we can still be very successful with 3,4, and a 5 star guys. It's about player development. That's something that we were not always good at then. Hopefully this staff will prove this theory. Look at Texas A&M, South Carolina, even Vandy. Great coaching staffs seem to overachieve, then your 5 star guys will start to take note. I still am a bigger fan of the level headed and hungry 3&4 star player. They often have less drama surrounding them.
 
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1truevol said:
Ugh..........what? Tell me this...how many SEC titles or national titles did we win post 1998? Puzzling because we had "top 5" recruiting finishes for several years after that. I'm not saying 5 star guys are not legit, I am saying too many fans read too much in to those players sometimes. I mean Bryce Brown was a jewel wasn't he? The point is they often come with baggage "premadonas". Fans don't won't to hear that though. Personally I'll take a good coaching staff and a bunch of humble and hungry 3-4 star players. I promise you they'll win a lot more than they lose. The rest of you go ahead and "star gaze"..... and buy what these recruiting services are selling!
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what is so difficult about understanding the difference between the exception and the rule for you people? are you really that dumb? johnny football was a 3, bryce was a 5, yada yada yada. stupid.

and what the hell is a "premadona", some sort of megafauna from the pleistocene era?

if however you are implying, incorrectly, that 5 star kids are "prima donna's", that is a gross mischaracterization.

but hey, that kind of stuff is what you boys are good at, have at it..
 
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85SugarVol said:
what is so difficult about understanding the difference between the exception and the rule for you people? are you really that dumb? johnny football was a 3, bryce was a 5, yada yada yada. stupid.

and what the hell is a "premadona", some sort of megafauna from the pleistocene era?

if however you are implying, incorrectly, that 5 star kids are "prima donna's", that is a gross mischaracterization.

but hey, that kind of stuff is what you boys are good at, have at it..
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You're exactly right. But as you know your logic flies in the face of their feelings so you sir are no VFL.
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#71
#71
85SugarVol said:
what is so difficult about understanding the difference between the exception and the rule for you people? are you really that dumb? johnny football was a 3, bryce was a 5, yada yada yada. stupid.

and what the hell is a "premadona", some sort of megafauna from the pleistocene era?

if however you are implying, incorrectly, that 5 star kids are "prima donna's", that is a gross mischaracterization.

but hey, that kind of stuff is what you boys are good at, have at it..
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Ok...we will.
 
#72
#72
85SugarVol said:
what is so difficult about understanding the difference between the exception and the rule for you people? are you really that dumb? johnny football was a 3, bryce was a 5, yada yada yada. stupid.

and what the hell is a "premadona", some sort of megafauna from the pleistocene era?

if however you are implying, incorrectly, that 5 star kids are "prima donna's", that is a gross mischaracterization.

but hey, that kind of stuff is what you boys are good at, have at it..
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Don't you understand that higher-ranked players are automatically lazy, uncoachable thugs?

Take Terrell Owens, for example--the ultimate prima donna. I know he played at UT Chattanooga after having zero major college offers, but...he was probably a 5*.
 
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