Star Wars: Episode VII (December 18, 2015) ***SPOILERS***

[Paper_Towel]

I originally was hesitant about this new series since the EU was not being considered for the films. (I thought the Thrawn trilogy would have been great) But the more I look at the teasers and trailers, I'm getting pretty pumped.

Though I still want them to consider a trilogy based on the Jedi-Sith Wars.

Katana Fleet :rock:

 

[Volwark]

Not a big fan of the EU at all, but I think the Thrawn trilogy would've been better than the script we got, at least for the first movie. They would have to adjust the timeline and certain things obviously, and it would suck knowing what's going to happen again just like with the prequels.

 

[BigOrange15]

Not a big fan of the EU at all, but I think the Thrawn trilogy would've been better than the script we got, at least for the first movie. They would have to adjust the timeline and certain things obviously, and it would suck knowing what's going to happen again just like with the prequels.

I'm not reading any spoilers, does the script really suck that bad? Seems overblown because its not what people wanted/expected.

 

[Daloth]

I'm not reading any spoilers, does the script really suck that bad? Seems overblown because its not what people wanted/expected.

I feel with something like this there will always be people not happy regardless of how good or bad it truly is. I personally would've loved to see the Thrawn Trilogy, or a whole lot of the EU used or at least canonized in the movies, but I also understand that creative and Disney have ways they want to take this franchise and they have the right to do so, at least until they put something out as bad as Episode 1 was.

I thought Episode 3 was pretty good overall in honesty, so if the first of these movies is as good or better than it was, I'm not going to complain.

 

[Volwark]

I'm not reading any spoilers, does the script really suck that bad? Seems overblown because its not what people wanted/expected.

It doesn't suck at all. It's good, as in Avengers good, but I was hoping for something better.

 

[BenGrimm]

It doesn't suck at all. It's good, as in Avengers good, but I was hoping for something better.

If that's the case then it will fit right in line with the originals.

Star Wars was never meant to be a deep thought-provoking sci-fi. It's a family friendly adventure series at heart.

The problem with Star Wars fans (and comic fans) is they want the material to grow up with them. When it doesn't they eel.let down or cheated.

 

[gordonr24]

I originally was hesitant about this new series since the EU was not being considered for the films. (I thought the Thrawn trilogy would have been great) But the more I look at the teasers and trailers, I'm getting pretty pumped.

Though I still want them to consider a trilogy based on the Jedi-Sith Wars.

I've always wanted a Jedi-Sith war trilogy.

 

[Volwark]

If that's the case then it will fit right in line with the originals.

Star Wars was never meant to be a deep thought-provoking sci-fi. It's a family friendly adventure series at heart.

Kinda. They're not high art but you have to remember that A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back are considered some of the best films of all time, not just good popcorn films like the Avengers. Star Wars can be so much more than that, and it's a shame when it isn't, especially when films like Lord of the Rings win academy awards.

I'd like to see Star Wars become glorious again, not just a passing film like Avengers, Transformers, or the prequels.

 

[Jackcrevol]

If that's the case then it will fit right in line with the originals.

Star Wars was never meant to be a deep thought-provoking sci-fi. It's a family friendly adventure series at heart.

The problem with Star Wars fans (and comic fans) is they want the material to grow up with them. When it doesn't they eel.let down or cheated.

i just desire consistency in the franchise. opposite of the prequel.

Thrawn trilogy wouldve been good

 

[BenGrimm]

i just desire consistency in the franchise. opposite of the prequel.

Thrawn trilogy wouldve been good

Story wise, the prequels were consistent with the originals. The plot was always thin and by RoJ stuff would get tacked on arbitrarily (like Leia being Luke's sister). What turned off older fans was the over use of CG and the fact that Lucas just isn't a good director in regards to getting the best performances out of his actors. And Jar Jar... The older fans detest Jar Jar.

As someone who grew up with the originals I have issues with them and will nitpick them apart. Then again as a young adult I left Phantom Menace convinced I liked it because I loved SW so much and there were cool parts like seeing the Jedi in full force for the first time and Ewin McGregor was awesome as a young Obiwan. It was on repeated viewings I grew to dislike it.

The truth is there is a generation of young people out there that grew up with those movies and love them too.

I guess my whole point is Lucas never planned for Star Wars to be as deep or literary as something like Lord of the Rings. Or even explore true science fiction like Star Trek was intended to do. Heck, it's well known he borrowed heavily from the basic plot from Japanese cult classic "The Hidden Fortress" which was in many ways an action comedy.

COULD Star Wars be more than it is? Sure. So could Power Rangers, or TMNT, or even Micky Mouse. That doesnt mean it SHOULD be.

 

[Volwark]

Story wise, the prequels were consistent with the originals.

Actually I would say the prequels had better plots than the OT. It's just that the acting and dialogue are so bad, it's hard to see thru it.

I guess my whole point is Lucas never planned for Star Wars to be as deep or literary as something like Lord of the Rings.

I wouldn't call Lord of the Rings deep, or any more deep than A New Hope or Empire (ie, none of them are really "deep"). Citizen Kane is deep. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Empire are not.

COULD Star Wars be more than it is? Sure. So could Power Rangers, or TMNT, or even Micky Mouse. That doesnt mean it SHOULD be.

The problem with that is that Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, or Mickey Mouse were never quality in the same sense that Star Wars or Empire were. To compare them to that is silly. I don't ever recall Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles or Micky Mouse being nominated for an academy award for best picture.

So Star Wars has been more, so it should be more. You can have a big blockbuster family film, and at the same time it can work on another level as a high quality film (like Star Wars, ET, Empire, the Dark Knight, Raiders, Fury Road, etc).

Never lower your standards.

 

[BenGrimm]

Actually I would say the prequels had better plots than the OT. It's just that the acting and dialogue are so bad, it's hard to see thru it.

I guess the plot was somewhat more complicated. Not in a good way by any means.

I wouldn't call Lord of the Rings deep, or any more deep than A New Hope or Empire (ie, none of them are really "deep"). Citizen Kane is deep. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Empire are not.

The world Tolken built was fully developed before he started writing. The books, which came first, are litany classics that have won multiple awards. There was always more there than what Lucas originally conceived for a completely different medium.

The problem with that is that Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, or Mickey Mouse were never quality in the same sense that Star Wars or Empire were. To compare them to that is silly. I don't ever recall Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles or Micky Mouse being nominated for an academy award for best picture.

OK those were exaggerated examples (except maybe TMNT which was originally much more mature material before the cartoon series of the early 90s). I was getting back to my Pont of fans wanting their childhood entertainment to grow up with them.

So Star Wars has been more, so it should be more. You can have a big blockbuster family film, and at the same time it can work on another level as a high quality film (like Star Wars, ET, Empire, the Dark Knight, Raiders, Fury Road, etc).

Never lower your standards.

I see your point. I think it would be hard for a SW sequel to capture the magic of the original trilogy. With plans to put out a SW movie every year to year and half its inevitable that they will start becoming disposable.

 

[Volwark]

I see your point. I think it would be hard for a SW sequel to capture the magic of the original trilogy. With plans to put out a SW movie every year to year and half its inevitable that they will start becoming disposable.

I think it would be impossible to recapture the magic of the original Star Wars, simply because the film was nothing like we'd ever seen. Empire wasn't groundbreaking as much, but it had such a good story and character development. While I can't expect any Star Wars film from now on to be that good, I would like to see it try to be more like Empire (in an original way; not by rehashing plots and subplots) and not be as pedestrian as say a Jurassic World.

To me, Star Wars was always special. It was different than Star Trek or any other franchise. Yes, you had comic books and novels tucked off to the side, but they were never canon. You didn't have movies every year, TV shows. And when the story was done, it was done. That's one thing I agreed with Lucas on (altho now he's taken a different stance it seems). It was more like the Godfather, less like almost every other franchise out there that keeps pumping out movies and TV shows.

I realize there are people who want Star Wars everything. They read the books and comics, collect the toys, watch the TV shows, and want movies every year. And that's what Disney is giving them. They're really doing the same thing that people criticized Lucas for, which is going after the buck. But it's gonna dilute the product, and Star Wars is no longer going to be special. It's just going to be another franchise like Star Trek or Bond or Transformers or Power Rangers or Ninja Turtles.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Story wise, the prequels were consistent with the originals. The plot was always thin and by RoJ stuff would get tacked on arbitrarily (like Leia being Luke's sister). What turned off older fans was the over use of CG and the fact that Lucas just isn't a good director in regards to getting the best performances out of his actors. And Jar Jar... The older fans detest Jar Jar.

As someone who grew up with the originals I have issues with them and will nitpick them apart. Then again as a young adult I left Phantom Menace convinced I liked it because I loved SW so much and there were cool parts like seeing the Jedi in full force for the first time and Ewin McGregor was awesome as a young Obiwan. It was on repeated viewings I grew to dislike it.

The truth is there is a generation of young people out there that grew up with those movies and love them too.

I guess my whole point is Lucas never planned for Star Wars to be as deep or literary as something like Lord of the Rings. Or even explore true science fiction like Star Trek was intended to do. Heck, it's well known he borrowed heavily from the basic plot from Japanese cult classic "The Hidden Fortress" which was in many ways an action comedy.

COULD Star Wars be more than it is? Sure. So could Power Rangers, or TMNT, or even Micky Mouse. That doesnt mean it SHOULD be.

Kurosawa was waay ahead of his time. Toshiro is one of my favorite old school Japanese actors, big fan of the Japanese Samauri stuff.

Anyway. Lucas was quoted last week on CNN.com 'if i could be a Star Wars character it would be Jar Jar'. He has lost touch with reality and cannot get out of the way of his own ego, philanthropy aside.

I really do think the best thing for the franchise is to expand the universe Post Jedi, as has been done. although i do wish Thrawn could be in it.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Also read that if Tolkeins widow would allow it. the Silmarillion would be made into a movie. Talk about deep. LOTR is a much, much more complex narrative. The entire backstory was written prior to the actual story. Languages developed. the movies are but a synopsis of the books, especially the appendices.

 

[BenGrimm]

Kurosawa was waay ahead of his time. Toshiro is one of my favorite old school Japanese actors, big fan of the Japanese Samauri stuff.

Anyway. Lucas was quoted last week on CNN.com 'if i could be a Star Wars character it would be Jar Jar'. He has lost touch with reality and cannot get out of the way of his own ego, philanthropy aside.

I really do think the best thing for the franchise is to expand the universe Post Jedi, as has been done. although i do wish Thrawn could be in it.

I saw Lucas say that and I think he was just poking the bear (fans) for fun. He said he loves all the characters then paused and sort of flippantly said Jar Jar. I think he is fully aware the fans hate Jar Jar.

I do agree his ego got in the way of making the prequels all they could be. It didn't help he surrounded himself with yes men who didn't have the balls to tell him "hey this stinks".

 

[Jackcrevol]

I saw Lucas say that and I think he was just poking the bear (fans) for fun. He said he loves all the characters then paused and sort of flippantly said Jar Jar. I think he is fully aware the fans hate Jar Jar.

I do agree his ego got in the way of making the prequels all they could be. It didn't help he surrounded himself with yes men who didn't have the balls to tell him "hey this stinks".

again, ego.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Also read that if Tolkeins widow would allow it. the Silmarillion would be made into a movie. Talk about deep. LOTR is a much, much more complex narrative. The entire backstory was written prior to the actual story. Languages developed. the movies are but a synopsis of the books, especially the appendices.

They would have to make like 10 separate films just to get everything in the Silmarillion into movie format.

 

[FLVOL_79]

PG-13 rating.



Yes

 

[Burhead]

Finally gotten around to buying my tickets for the 17th at the Paradiso. I'm going with my brother and some of his friends than turning around and seeing it again with my folks that Saturday.

 

[SWIL]

PG-13 rating.



Yes

Nooooice :cool2:

 

[gordonr24]

Finally gotten around to buying my tickets for the 17th at the Paradiso. I'm going with my brother and some of his friends than turning around and seeing it again with my folks that Saturday.

I bought my tickets so early, I was given a receipt to show at the door.

 

[Daloth]

Actually I would say the prequels had better plots than the OT. It's just that the acting and dialogue are so bad, it's hard to see thru it.



I wouldn't call Lord of the Rings deep, or any more deep than A New Hope or Empire (ie, none of them are really "deep"). Citizen Kane is deep. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Empire are not.



The problem with that is that Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, or Mickey Mouse were never quality in the same sense that Star Wars or Empire were. To compare them to that is silly. I don't ever recall Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles or Micky Mouse being nominated for an academy award for best picture.

So Star Wars has been more, so it should be more. You can have a big blockbuster family film, and at the same time it can work on another level as a high quality film (like Star Wars, ET, Empire, the Dark Knight, Raiders, Fury Road, etc).

Never lower your standards.

Power rangers did win a day time emmy for writing in Time Force (one of the last seasons I grew up watching.) It was more an award for the dark subject matter of that entire season in general considering it approached X men levels of subtle racism and tolerance themes.

 

[Volwark]

Yeah I mean Barney won several daytime Emmy awards for directing and writing, but let's not pretend that it is anywhere close to an Academy award or to Star Wars/Empire.

Edit: actually, doing some research, I think you're wrong about any Power Rangers show being nominated for an Emmy for writing

 

[Burhead]

I bought my tickets so early, I was given a receipt to show at the door.

You going to Paradiso too? When I ordered mine they offered me a choice of printing off a confirmation bar code to take with me or just picking them up at the box office.