State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America

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You should do the same research. I'd like to see some sources on your info. There is actually a Islamic population in quite a few Latin American countries.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
You should do the same research. I'd like to see some sources on your info. There is actually a Islamic population in quite a few Latin American countries.
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Among the thousands of undocumented immigrants streaming into Arizona from Mexico each week, the U.S. Border Patrol has yet to discover a known terrorist. The FBI and Department of Homeland Security likewise have failed to detect a single al Qaeda operative who infiltrated the United States via our southern boundary.

In June 2004, militia member Chris Simcox claimed that the Border Patrol had arrested seventy-seven Arabic-speaking males--all of whom later turned out to be (Spanish speaking) Mexicans.

Dennis Wagner, Arizona Republic
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I'm concerned about the Mexican border. But, from a pure terrorism issue, I'm more concerned about the Canadian border.

LTC Norm Beasley, Arizona Dep't of Public Safety's top counter terrorism official
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Latin America in general and Mexico in particular are inhospitable to Muslim extremists in ways Canada and our sea and air borders are not. U.S. officials have found no links with Middle Eastern terrorists and Mexico.

Robert Lieken, Director of Immigration and National Security Nixon Center
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As of June 2005, no terrorists are known to have been in Mexico.

Houston Chronicle
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etc, etc, etc...
 
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Two newspapers, one law enforcement, and a non-profit. A lot of conjecture and little facts. Experts....

Funny I can Google and come up with several dozen think tanks and experts who counter that line of thinking with evidence. There is one I read that actually says Islamic organizations have a vast foothold in Mexico and are even actively recruiting insurgents in Chiapas as just one example.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Two newspapers, one law enforcement, and a non-profit. A lot of conjecture and little facts. Experts....

Funny I can Google and come up with several dozen think tanks and experts who counter that line of thinking with evidence. There is one I read that actually says Islamic organizations have a vast foothold in Mexico and are even actively recruiting insurgents in Chiapas as just one example.
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And I can post more that refute the 2 reports of al Qaeda in Latin America and the MS-13 connection. Any reports of Islamic terrorists operating in Latin America are pure speculation and conjecture, none have been thoroughly corroborated. However, only a person who chooses to deny fact can deny the obvious infiltration by Islamic terrorists via our Northern Border. Yet, our gov't is sending troops and actually considering building a barrier on our southern border, leaving our Northern Border, which is almost twice as long, still unguarded. Sounds to me as though it is motivated by something other than National Security.
 
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therealUT said:
It will most definitely go away if ignored because it is not a problem. There is no credible national security threat from our expose southern border, as has been stated by numerous experts in the field. The issue is being trumped up by American labor, mostly union labor.
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Well, well, glad to know realUT is the expert on whether illegal immigration is a threat. I assume he can personally vouch for every person coming into this country from Mexico. I don't need American labor or anyone else to trump this as a problem for me to realize it is a problem. I also don't need "numerous experts" telling me it is not a problem as they live in their gated communities or White House. And as for latinos not liking arabs, I am sure the latinos would never be willing to take a bribe to get a muslim through the southern border. This kind of transaction never happens, because latino gangs have America's best interest in mind, correct?
 
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allvol123 said:
Well, well, glad to know realUT is the expert on whether illegal immigration is a threat. I assume he can personally vouch for every person coming into this country from Mexico. I don't need American labor or anyone else to trump this as a problem for me to realize it is a problem. I also don't need "numerous experts" telling me it is not a problem as they live in their gated communities or White House. And as for latinos not liking arabs, I am sure the latinos would never be willing to take a bribe to get a muslim through the southern border. This kind of transaction never happens, because latino gangs have America's best interest in mind, correct?
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Ok then, how about this...what is more of a threat to you, the Northern or the Southern Border?
 
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allvol123 said:
I am not arguing the northern one is not a problem. Secure both of them, know who goes in and out of your house.
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Well, we do not have enough military manpower to secure both of them. Therefore, they must be prioritized. To place the southern border as a higher priority than the northern means that there are other forces at play. Everyone looked the other way, with regards to illegal immigration, prior to 9/11. My opinion is that American Labor seized the opportunity of the situation to promote their cause.
 
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therealUT said:
Well, we do not have enough military manpower to secure both of them. Therefore, they must be prioritized. To place the southern border as a higher priority than the northern means that there are other forces at play. Everyone looked the other way, with regards to illegal immigration, prior to 9/11. My opinion is that American Labor seized the opportunity of the situation to promote their cause.
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you keep shouting American labor, I don't care if they have a dog in this hunt or not. They are not my reason for my caring about border security. As for your first sentence, I don't accept "can't". We sent a man to the moon, built the atomic bomb and so on and so on, "can't" is not acceptable when something needs to be done. No prioritization is necessary, both can be done. Everyone did not look the other way on illegal immigration before 09/11. I hated it before then, as did many people I know.
 
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American Labor to him....but funny that the Minutemen, the GOP, and numerous conservative organizations and think tanks are also stating the same beliefs. Funny to see so many on the Right in bed with Big Labor.

If you want to keep ignoring the Southern border so be it. Keep in mind there is a huge drug connection between Taliban, al Qaeda, and getting those into the US through the southern border. If they're getting drugs in, they obviously looking into other options as well.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
American Labor to him....but funny that the Minutemen, the GOP, and numerous conservative organizations and think tanks are also stating the same beliefs. Funny to see so many on the Right in bed with Big Labor.

If you want to keep ignoring the Southern border so be it. Keep in mind there is a huge drug connection between Taliban, al Qaeda, and getting those into the US through the southern border. If they're getting drugs in, they obviously looking into other options as well.
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The far right is so concerned with Nationalism (and Christian Conservatism, whatever that means) that they are being played by American Labor and do not even know it. I think the Minutemen group is just a collection of rascist vigilantes. I believe the Conservative think tanks that are supporting such a forceful position on the border are doing it more as a PR stunt than an actual effort to halt illegal immigration (as NG troops being deployed to the border are following ROE that states that have neither the power to detain nor to engage any immigrants.)
 
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therealUT said:
The far right is so concerned with Nationalism (and Christian Conservatism, whatever that means) that they are being played by American Labor and do not even know it. I think the Minutemen group is just a collection of rascist vigilantes. I believe the Conservative think tanks that are supporting such a forceful position on the border are doing it more as a PR stunt than an actual effort to halt illegal immigration (as NG troops being deployed to the border are following ROE that states that have neither the power to detain nor to engage any immigrants.)
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Man, can you bring up American Labor one more time. I do not give a damn what they are after. I have many friends that agree with me on this issue and we have never talked about it in relation to American Labor. Racist vigilantes because they don't want illegal behavior? Do you routinely let trespassers use your land? If you had land you would find this acceptable? I doubt it. NG troops on the border is a political stunt, it is not an actual attempt to solve the problem. Breaking into my house would get you shot, same policy should be observed on southern and northern border.
 
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allvol123 said:
Man, can you bring up American Labor one more time. I do not give a damn what they are after. I have many friends that agree with me on this issue and we have never talked about it in relation to American Labor. Racist vigilantes because they don't want illegal behavior? Do you routinely let trespassers use your land? If you had land you would find this acceptable? I doubt it. NG troops on the border is a political stunt, it is not an actual attempt to solve the problem. Breaking into my house would get you shot, same policy should be observed on southern and northern border.
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So justification is now because they do not want illegal behavior? I feel my ethics are just a little stronger than legislated law. Just look through the history of law to see that not all laws are just and morally acceptable.

Also, the immigrants are not stealing anything, they are not breaking into your house. They are coming for jobs because there is a demand. They are paying paying taxes, and not receiving any tax refunds. So, maybe the analogy you should use is someone showing up at your house, walking in, fixing your plumbing, taking very little money for it, then giving you some of that money back on their way out.
 
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Sounds like some vast left wing conspiracy to me. Hard to believe so many on the Right are being duped.
 
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allvol123 said:
you keep shouting American labor, I don't care if they have a dog in this hunt or not. They are not my reason for my caring about border security. As for your first sentence, I don't accept "can't". We sent a man to the moon, built the atomic bomb and so on and so on, "can't" is not acceptable when something needs to be done. No prioritization is necessary, both can be done. Everyone did not look the other way on illegal immigration before 09/11. I hated it before then, as did many people I know.
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then grab your shotgun and go protect the border, genius
 
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therealUT said:
So justification is now because they do not want illegal behavior? I feel my ethics are just a little stronger than legislated law. Just look through the history of law to see that not all laws are just and morally acceptable.

Also, the immigrants are not stealing anything, they are not breaking into your house. They are coming for jobs because there is a demand. They are paying paying taxes, and not receiving any tax refunds. So, maybe the analogy you should use is someone showing up at your house, walking in, fixing your plumbing, taking very little money for it, then giving you some of that money back on their way out.
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Coming for jobs huh, check the rate of illegals incarcerated in prisons. Not receiving refunds huh, why should they when they get free education and heathcare. Yes, your analogy is so correct, they are basically fixing America's problems. Obviously only the best are immigrating here, the scum of Mexico and every other country is staying put in their home country. Had an employee at my company killed by a drunk driving illegal the other week. Guess he was here for the work. I guess you would be ok with Mexico or any other country sending half their military in here as long as they were in civilian clothing. You never answered whether you are ok with people using your land without your consent. I cannot see how trespassing is viewed as an unacceptable law by you.
 
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allvol123 said:
Coming for jobs huh, check the rate of illegals incarcerated in prisons. Not receiving refunds huh, why should they when they get free education and heathcare. Yes, your analogy is so correct, they are basically fixing America's problems. Obviously only the best are immigrating here, the scum of Mexico and every other country is staying put in their home country. Had an employee at my company killed by a drunk driving illegal the other week. Guess he was here for the work. I guess you would be ok with Mexico or any other country sending half their military in here as long as they were in civilian clothing. You never answered whether you are ok with people using your land without your consent. I cannot see how trespassing is viewed as an unacceptable law by you.
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First, they do not get "free" education. They pay income taxes just like everyone else.
And, no, they are not the best from other countries. People who are wealthy and well off tend to expatriate at a much lower rate, historically, than those who have only enough money to emigrate.
As to your question about people using my land: I would evaluate the cost:benefit of having them removed.
 
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allvol123 said:
Coming for jobs huh, check the rate of illegals incarcerated in prisons. Not receiving refunds huh, why should they when they get free education and heathcare. Yes, your analogy is so correct, they are basically fixing America's problems. Obviously only the best are immigrating here, the scum of Mexico and every other country is staying put in their home country. Had an employee at my company killed by a drunk driving illegal the other week. Guess he was here for the work. I guess you would be ok with Mexico or any other country sending half their military in here as long as they were in civilian clothing. You never answered whether you are ok with people using your land without your consent. I cannot see how trespassing is viewed as an unacceptable law by you.
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and for the record, most of the "illegals" get "deported." Ever heard that word, Einstein? If you haven't, there is a Cracker Barrel on Stewarts Ferry Pike that could explain it to you.
 
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I say we take 40 million hard working, underpayed people from south of the border. Then we trade them for 40 million lazy people. You think we can find 40 million lazy people?
 
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emainvol said:
and for the record, most of the "illegals" get "deported." Ever heard that word, Einstein? If you haven't, there is a Cracker Barrel on Stewarts Ferry Pike that could explain it to you.
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most of the illegals get deported, please back this up.
 
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therealUT said:
First, they do not get "free" education. They pay income taxes just like everyone else.
And, no, they are not the best from other countries. People who are wealthy and well off tend to expatriate at a much lower rate, historically, than those who have only enough money to emigrate.
As to your question about people using my land: I would evaluate the cost:benefit of having them removed.
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So the guy getting paid 2.50 an hour you have referenced is paying income taxes? I do not need to evaluate the cost:benefit, if people are on my land they get removed.
 
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