State of the Football Program

#76
#76
Lexvol said:
Actually the LSU game was away last year. At least we get them in Neyland. Your assessment of talent is correct. Ga's defense will be tougher than you think, but I cannot imagine them putting more than 17 points on the board.
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'Scuse me about the LSU mixup...

I just sat back and reread what I said about Georgia. We will need a running game to win, unless our defense plays an incredible game and we can avoid giving them the ball with less than 50 yards. I don't see our running game getting up for that.

Our D is going to see the field a lot at Georgia. I'm guessing the coaching staff will worry about scoring early and scoring fast. Ten points in the first quarter or so ought to be an insurmountable lead for the Dawgs, if we can nab a couple first downs running and at least 50-75 total yards on the ground (and it makes me sick to say that...).
 
#77
#77
milohimself said:
No, and I see LSU slipping to mediocrity if he stays there for any extended period of time. He got outrecruited at Oklahoma State, he's going to get outrecruited at LSU. Right now, I firmly believe he's getting by on the immense talent that Saban brought to Baton Rouge. I would even go so far as to say LSU and Ohio State are neck-and-neck the most talented teams in the country.
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Dead bullseye assessment.

LSU is currently the most talented team in the SEC. I thought it would carry them one more year but it doesn't appear that it will.

Miles seems like a real nice guy... who is probably leading LSU into decline. Could be a windfall for UT. They have lost an edge in recruiting SC and GA recently. A little extra help from LA could help make up the difference.
 
#78
#78
milohimself said:
Richt is suddenly gonna coach a bunch more talent into his team? Georgia's offense sucks. They've only made one long scoring drive this season, and that was against a pitiful bunch from South Carolina. All it will take to beat Georgia...

1. Defense: Bring 6 guys down on Stafford. His head will spin, Georgia's offense will implode.

2. Offense: Play steady for the win. Avoid turnovers on our own side of the 50, although the Bulldogs offense is awful, they aren't incapable of scoring if given a short field.

3. Special teams: Discipline. Once again, make the field long for them.

LSU, on the other hand, is probably the class of the SEC, talent-wise. We all know they lost to Auburn, but that game was, for all intents and purposes, even. Both teams looked about the same. Somebody had to come away the winner. Not to mention them being hungry for a win after we embarassed them in Knoxville last year.

Seriously, can somebody tell me how our 2005 offense did that in the second half? I know LSU's D layed down, but damn...
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I am worried that Mark Richt will out coach Fulmer again. He is 4-1 against Fulmer
 
#79
#79
UT will either need to run against UGA or else do what Spurrier used to do to Fulmer. Score lots of points early passing so that Richt has to abandon the run.
 
#82
#82
sjt18 said:
Dead bullseye assessment.

LSU is currently the most talented team in the SEC. I thought it would carry them one more year but it doesn't appear that it will.

Miles seems like a real nice guy... who is probably leading LSU into decline. Could be a windfall for UT. They have lost an edge in recruiting SC and GA recently. A little extra help from LA could help make up the difference.
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Is there any way Rodney Garner would ever leave Georgia and come back to Tennessee? He was such a great recruiter for us during our glory days of the 90's. He was great in the Georgia area for recruiting. He got us Jamel Lewis, Cosey Coleman and Deon Grant from that area
 
#83
#83
sjt18 said:
You apparently don't see what my theory is...

It is this: UT has talent on the same level as UF, Aub, LSU, and UGA. They maybe haven't coached it up well over the past few years especially on offense. However, they do have it and aren't behind nor yet falling behind in recruiting. They had one "bad" year that most teams in D-1 would love to have as a good year.

If they don't come back with a top 10 class this year then maybe we should be more concerned.
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we are way behind OSU, USC and Texas. up untill last year we were close, but they all finished top 5, while we were in the top 25. UT in the past 4 years or so has had a couple that would be considered top 15. these programs have not. also unlike us they are putting kids in the first round of the draft on a consistant basis. right now we are not recruiting on there level.
 
#84
#84
All I can respond with is that people who are getting paid real money to evaluate HS talent say that UT's talent has been at that level.

If you still say different, I'd like to see your proof. The NFL draft measures kids going out, not coming in.

Which if you think about it is a worse condition. Getting talent and not developing it is worse than not getting great talent but coaching it up to respectability.
 
#85
#85
milohimself said:
The Dogs have zero offensive talent. This may sound stupid, but we just need to not suck to have a good shot to win that game.
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How do you figure that? Are you trying to say they're just young and inexperienced? It's Georgia and it's Richt, the talent is there.
 
#87
#87
sjt18 said:
All I can respond with is that people who are getting paid real money to evaluate HS talent say that UT's talent has been at that level.

If you still say different, I'd like to see your proof. The NFL draft measures kids going out, not coming in.

Which if you think about it is a worse condition. Getting talent and not developing it is worse than not getting great talent but coaching it up to respectability.
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If you check the recent NFL draft over the past four years. Georgia and Florida have put out more draft picks than us. Plus the have put alot more 1st round draft picks. I don't have the exact stats on this but I did read this stat in the tennessean newspaper about a month ago.
 
#88
#88
:hi: I think the state of the program is just fine, Coach Fulmer has it going in the right direction. The UF loss was a tough loss, but it's one game, there's 9 more games to be played, the "SEC War" has not been lost, we will be fine. As far as talent, the talent is there, we have players that are ranked in the top 5 in offensive and defensive stats in the SEC. Ainge is #1 in passing avg and total offense and #2 in passing efficiency. We have the dynamic sophomore Jerod Mayo who is #1 sacks and #3 in tackles for loss and Johnathan Wade who is #1 in passes defended. I think it's safe to say that Coach Fulmer continues to recruit great talent to UT.:salute:
 
#89
#89
milohimself said:
They're not very good at moving the ball. Is that better?
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I believe their defense helps make up for that.

I'm also pretty scared of their running game after watching Wynn (and Tebow) get whatever they wanted against the Vols as the game went on. Georgia has 3 RBs better than Wynn. Not really sure on the status of their offensive line however.
 
#90
#90
champyvol said:
we are way behind OSU, USC and Texas. up untill last year we were close, but they all finished top 5, while we were in the top 25.
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Scout 2005 / 2006
UT 1 / 24
OSU 12 / 12
Tex 20 / 5
SC 6 / 1

Rivals
UT 4 / 23
OSU 7 / 13
Tex 13 / 3
SC 1 / 1


also unlike us they are putting kids in the first round of the draft on a consistant basis. right now we are not recruiting on there level.
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Again, the NFL draft depends on what a player is when he leaves, not when he enters.

AJ Hawk and Santonio Holmes were both 3 star players coming in.... and very good pro prospects coming out.
 
#91
#91
UGA is one dimensional running. UT is one dimensional passing.

The game hinges on either one team being able to be two dimensional or else taking the other team's strength away. The game will be complex for that reason.

Fulmer would have to contradict himself in a way to use the pass to take away UGA's run. He'd have to keep passing no matter what the score was. Can he finally learn after the UF and Cal games that there are times when it is just good coaching to not run clock?

Richt because he's more flexible than Fulmer could also get himself in trouble by trying to do more in the passing game than Stafford is capable of. Can he be patient enough with his running game if it doesn't work initially to avoid losing control of the game with Stafford errors?

Whoever asked about UGA's line, if I remember right they are very good. Better than any UT will have seen by that time.
 
#92
#92
milohimself said:
They're not very good at moving the ball. Is that better?
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That's probably a little off since they run instead of pass.

With the clock rule changes shortening the game, a game dominated by a running team isn't going to be high scoring.

Consider the AF game. UT only had 6 possessions, right? Last year it probably would have been 10.

In that way, the changes could pay off for teams that run alot by limiting possessions... and indirectly cause lower scores and less exciting play.
 
#93
#93
conference is very impressive. Before last year's debacle, we were like the winningest team ever over a ten year span in the SEC. That's saying a lot. I often wonder about the two games that cost us shots at the NC (Arky '99 and LSU '01). Playing for 3 NCs in 4 years in a conference like this is sick. Heck, if Washington St. could have exposed a very weak Michigan in the '98 Rose Bowl, we could have played for 4 in 5. Nobody would have beaten the '97 Cornhuskers though. Too tough.
 
#94
#94
I consider myself a Fulmer fan...

BUT... the one thing about him is that he always seems to have at least one team he can't beat. Up through the mid-90's, it was Bama. Then it became UF. Then it became UGA. Now its at least UF again, if not them and UGA. Always competitive but never pushing over the hump.

If you look at the big picture, 98 was a fluke year. For five consecutive years before, UT had lost to UF... and then for 2 more years after.

I love the guy but he needs to update that General Neyland philosophy a little bit. If you are moving the ball through the air, points are more valuable than time off the clock... especially if you can't run the ball like against UF. He's been way too stubborn on that stuff... If he wants to survive, he better adjust.
 
#96
#96
sjt18 said:
That's probably a little off since they run instead of pass.

With the clock rule changes shortening the game, a game dominated by a running team isn't going to be high scoring.

Consider the AF game. UT only had 6 possessions, right? Last year it probably would have been 10.

In that way, the changes could pay off for teams that run alot by limiting possessions... and indirectly cause lower scores and less exciting play.
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Well if that's the case, we just need to set up a big touchdown (maybe two?) and that could potentially ice the game.
 
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