Stay the course.... please.

[crusse10]

I don't understand why many of the people supporting the "if they die, they die" mantra, including regarding their close family, are the same people who have an arsenal of guns for protecting their family. If they die, they die. Right?

 

[ButchPlz]

I don't understand why many of the people supporting the "if they die, they die" mantra, including regarding their close family, are the same people who have an arsenal of guns for protecting their family. If they die, they die. Right?

What?

 

[Jackcrevol]

SARS burnt itself out, thank God. Neither SARS nor HIV spread as quickly and easily as COVID-19 does. This one is like a wildfire.

What I’m hoping is that we have at least bought enough time for hospitals, clinics, and individual healthcare workers to be prepared for the next wave.

No, we can’t stay on lockdown forever. But nor can we go into fat, dumb, and happy mode, pretending that we haven’t seen the consequences of that already.

@PelhamUT, thanks for what you’re doing, thanks for your post, and be safe. Go Vols!

Covid doesnt care if you listen to reason, or to Rush Limbaugh. It's an equal opportunity virus.

It's infected healthy folks and sick/injured alike. We do have to continue on, and, practice eff social distancing. But, to completely disregard, or, putting on arrogant/indignant attitude is the reverse of what is needed.

We sheltered to HELP HC workers & hospitals not get overwhelmed. Ill just flip your own argument right back around, if you're ok with a complete and total lack of regard for others..:then so be it. Get in your New Jeep with big tires and drive around town, head to your crossfit gym, and spread it around your town.

We are the carriers. CDC recommends we wear protective facemasks. Emerging research shows people test positive, AND NEVER SHOW SYMPTOMS.

Imagine how selfish & reckless it is to know you are putting yourself at risk by going out and not practicing social distancing? You can open your precious business, but I implore you. Please wear masks and protective clothing. If others are sick, make them leave.

dont put someone in a position to choose between you or Grandpa.

 

[ButchPlz]

Covid doesnt care if you listen to reason, or to Rush Limbaugh. It's an equal opportunity virus.

It's infected healthy folks and sick/injured alike. We do have to continue on, and, practice eff social distancing. But, to completely disregard, or, putting on arrogant/indignant attitude is the reverse of what is needed.

We sheltered to HELP HC workers & hospitals not get overwhelmed. Ill just flip your own argument right back around, if you're ok with a complete and total lack of regard for others..:then so be it. Get in your New Jeep with big tires and drive around town, head to your crossfit gym, and spread it around your town.

We are the carriers. CDC recommends we wear protective facemasks. Emerging research shows people test positive, AND NEVER SHOW SYMPTOMS.

Imagine how selfish & reckless it is to know you are putting yourself at risk by going out and not practicing social distancing? You can open your precious business, but I implore you. Please wear masks and protective clothing. If others are sick, make them leave.

dont put someone in a position to choose between you or Grandpa.

If you're young and healthy there's basically zero chance of dying from this illness. Saying it's infected young people is ignorant bullshite designed to scare people. Sure, I could get infected and I could have severe issues. I could also get plowed over by a car while walking, get into a car accident, sustain a traumatic injury exercising, or basically anything else (all much more likely than dying from this). Less than 1% of the population of the state I'm in has been infected.

An incredibly small number have died, averaging over 75 years old and most with severe comorbidities. My area has had 3 total hospitalizations over the last two months of this- all while people just like you complain that nobody is social distancing and now news has come out that this has been here much longer than we thought. To top it off, my city didn't take solid action on any social distancing until mid March or later, well after this all fired up. So why aren't we getting crushed?

I have to sit here and watch my city die even faster because of the economic damage. I've got to watch people rat on neighbors for not wearing masks or for going out. Friends and family are out of jobs and losing more and more day after day. Sounds like a hellscape driven by helicopter moms, weak men, and otherwise scared and fragile people.

You're a lemming, literally, running off the economic cliff out of fear.

 

[crusse10]

What?

Many of the people marching in streets have ARs attached to themselves. Those are obviously kept for "protection" or whatever. But like...if you live by the "it was your time to die" mantra, why bother trying to protect your family or yourself from other people?

 

[volwindy]

Covid doesnt care if you listen to reason, or to Rush Limbaugh. It's an equal opportunity virus.

It's infected healthy folks and sick/injured alike. We do have to continue on, and, practice eff social distancing. But, to completely disregard, or, putting on arrogant/indignant attitude is the reverse of what is needed.

We sheltered to HELP HC workers & hospitals not get overwhelmed. Ill just flip your own argument right back around, if you're ok with a complete and total lack of regard for others..:then so be it. Get in your New Jeep with big tires and drive around town, head to your crossfit gym, and spread it around your town.

We are the carriers. CDC recommends we wear protective facemasks. Emerging research shows people test positive, AND NEVER SHOW SYMPTOMS.

Imagine how selfish & reckless it is to know you are putting yourself at risk by going out and not practicing social distancing? You can open your precious business, but I implore you. Please wear masks and protective clothing. If others are sick, make them leave.

dont put someone in a position to choose between you or Grandpa.

Yeah you really understand @VolNExile

 

[hog88]

Live. You know, the most basic of all necessities.

You're not going to live long without people out working and producing.

 

[hog88]

I don't understand why many of the people supporting the "if they die, they die" mantra, including regarding their close family, are the same people who have an arsenal of guns for protecting their family. If they die, they die. Right?

I take precautions with my vulnerable family members.

 

[hog88]

Covid doesnt care if you listen to reason, or to Rush Limbaugh. It's an equal opportunity virus.

It's infected healthy folks and sick/injured alike. We do have to continue on, and, practice eff social distancing. But, to completely disregard, or, putting on arrogant/indignant attitude is the reverse of what is needed.

We sheltered to HELP HC workers & hospitals not get overwhelmed. Ill just flip your own argument right back around, if you're ok with a complete and total lack of regard for others..:then so be it. Get in your New Jeep with big tires and drive around town, head to your crossfit gym, and spread it around your town.

We are the carriers. CDC recommends we wear protective facemasks. Emerging research shows people test positive, AND NEVER SHOW SYMPTOMS.

Imagine how selfish & reckless it is to know you are putting yourself at risk by going out and not practicing social distancing? You can open your precious business, but I implore you. Please wear masks and protective clothing. If others are sick, make them leave.

dont put someone in a position to choose between you or Grandpa.

So let adults make adult decisions with the information provided?

 

[VolNExile]

How about this: erebody start seeing and acknowledging the valid points of both epidemic management AND restoration and preservation of people’s livelihood and the economy?

All this finger-pointing does absolutely nothing productive. It’s just hardening viewpoints and closing minds, and that is not how to advance knowledge and progress. I despair at seeing my beloved country reduced to polarized sides (on multiple issues), screaming at one another with spit flying everywhere.

This isn’t an either/or thing. Wisdom, concern for others (both their health and finances), and plain old common sense dictate cautious relaxation while keeping a close eye on other states and nations (looking at you, Georgia) who adopt more of a “woo-hoo” approach, while remembering that it would probably be approaching three weeks later to see what, if any, consequences there might be.

I saw this chart on another site I hang out on. It compares the weekly death rates (these are deaths IN EXCESS of those that would normally have happened) in different US cities to their social distancing policies during the 1918 flu epidemic, a similarly virulent and destructive event. Notice especially the double-hump cities like Denver, Oakland, Cincinnati that saw the death rates surging back up after an initial re-opening. We want to minimize this.

Also, note how widespread these cities were. Just because current hotspots are mostly in major cities on the coast, that doesn’t mean that they won’t happen in smaller cities througho the country. Look at Albany GA (during the current epidemic.)

How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

You're not going to live long without people out working and producing.

Unless you've taken precautions.

 

[VolNExile]

Unless you've taken precautions.

I had really hoped that by now, there would have been multiple US businesses producing legitimate procedural/ surgical masks (the pleated light blue rectangles) that could be easily and quickly purchased by individuals for daily use. I know that there are some doing this, but I’m not seeing them on Amazon, etc. When we all trudge back to cubicle hell, it sure would be handy.

It’s so saddening to see how slow the response has been for relatively simple and useful things like this.

 

[Vol524]

I agree with you. One thing you should understand. You are going to confuse people with the facts. Thanks to all the health care workers and essential workers that are making sacrifices during this time.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I had really hoped that by now, there would have been multiple US businesses producing legitimate procedural/ surgical masks (the pleated light blue rectangles) that could be easily and quickly purchased by individuals for daily use. I know that there are some doing this, but I’m not seeing them on Amazon, etc. When we all trudge back to cubicle hell, it sure would be handy.

It’s so saddening to see how slow the response has been for relatively simple and useful things like this.

People have been sounding the alarm for years but we all like the cheap stuff from China at the big box stores. Probably hard to convince manufacturers that the demand will still be there when this passes.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Shutting down the economy is a sure fire way to ruin. I had an medical appointment yesterday at UT Medical Center. The rigamarole to get in was ridiculous, and the hospital was virtually empty! No hordes of sick folk. Tennessee needs to reopen for business as usual - and should never have been shuttered!

UT Medical CTR in Knoxville was at 60% capacity last week. Elective surgeries are put on hold for now and many patients are avoiding outpatient visits for routine Wellness exams & non urgent matters. BTW, surgical biopsies to determine if tumors are cancerous or benign have been lumped in with elective procedures (sounds essential to me). So, all of the aforementioned reasons would lead to the trauma CTR being at 60% capacity. With that being said, the stay at home orders issued by the states were meant to flatten the curve to prevent hospitals from being flooded with COVID19 patients. The ER is essentially a ghost town in that regard. I am not in favor of a spike at all but as of right now, the state of TN hasn’t even seen a ripple when you compare the massive amount of cases/deaths in major hot spots around the U.S. It just may be beyond time for the politicians to stop moving the goal posts and reopen their respective states as responsibly as possible. Deaths and infections are not going to disappear when states reopen. Society will have to learn how to live with the virus until effective treatment is distributed and eventually a vaccine. It is not possible to stay in our homes indefinitely. Do people really believe businesses, jobs, and the livelihood of our family & friends will just magically reappear if we continue this trend? Hard decisions coming soon………

 

[kiddiedoc]

Get in your New Jeep with big tires and drive around town, head to your crossfit gym, and spread it around your town.

Stereotype much? I drive a Jeep with big tires and just took off my PPE before breaking for lunch at my office.

 

[kiddiedoc]

OP: keep up the good work and stay safe. Thank you for what you are doing.

A question, though: what do you see as an endpoint? Obviously, we can't survive very long in the current state. There's no doubt that the virus isn't going to magically disappear. And, a vaccine is AT BEST maybe a year away. Therefore, the only possible "cure" at this point is the development of herd immunity by the young and healthy, IMO.

Thoughts?

 

[hog88]

All I want from our government is to be given the most accurate information available and to be left alone to make the best decisions possible for me and my family.

I don't think that is being unreasonable.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Stereotype much? I drive a Jeep with big tires and just took off my PPE before breaking for lunch at my office.

i do, a lot. im jellie of the jeep.

#work crv

 

[bigdaddy]

OP: keep up the good work and stay safe. Thank you for what you are doing.

A question, though: what do you see as an endpoint? Obviously, we can't survive very long in the current state. There's no doubt that the virus isn't going to magically disappear. And, a vaccine is AT BEST maybe a year away. Therefore, the only possible "cure" at this point is the development of herd immunity by the young and healthy, IMO.

Thoughts?

Let the flood gates open. Wear masks and wash those hands and let’s get to work. I feel for the areas hard hit and that’s hard work. Stay safe traveling RN, you are doing a real tough job. Stay frosty

 

[davethevol]

Let the flood gates open. Wear masks and wash those hands and let’s get to work. I feel for the areas hard hit and that’s hard work. Stay safe traveling RN, you are doing a real tough job. Stay frosty

100%. We will have to take our lumps.

 

[508mikey]

OP: keep up the good work and stay safe. Thank you for what you are doing.

A question, though: what do you see as an endpoint? Obviously, we can't survive very long in the current state. There's no doubt that the virus isn't going to magically disappear. And, a vaccine is AT BEST maybe a year away. Therefore, the only possible "cure" at this point is the development of herd immunity by the young and healthy, IMO.

Thoughts?

A vaccine could take longer - look how long the polio vaccine took and that was a much more scarier disease than this one

 

[BigOrangeAl 1979]

There’s no vaccines for SARS, or Aids but yet we are not shutting down the economy and we are still going out even though there is multiple diseases that have no vaccine for!!!

this is considerably more contagious than both of those diseases and unlike SARS has not gone away. SARS never really affected the US like this has.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

OP: keep up the good work and stay safe. Thank you for what you are doing.

A question, though: what do you see as an endpoint? Obviously, we can't survive very long in the current state. There's no doubt that the virus isn't going to magically disappear. And, a vaccine is AT BEST maybe a year away. Therefore, the only possible "cure" at this point is the development of herd immunity by the young and healthy, IMO.

Thoughts?

I hope the FDA will allow a faster roll-out of potential vaccines. Normally, unless you are in a clinical trial, you can't access a vaccine (or drug) until formal approval. But this has always been a problem regarding safety - clinical trials are a tiny fraction of the population so you almost never see rare serious adverse events in those trials.

For Covid-19, when a vaccine maker starts their final large, efficacy trials, the FDA should require that the producers make it available to a much larger population of young, healthy volunteers. If the vaccine turns out to be ineffective, that would be a waste of time for the volunteers with the small added risk of an adverse event. But if the vaccine turns out to be effective, it will speed up the proportion of people who have immunity.

 

[508mikey]

I hope the FDA will allow a faster roll-out of potential vaccines. Normally, unless you are in a clinical trial, you can't access a vaccine (or drug) until formal approval. But this has always been a problem regarding safety - clinical trials are a tiny fraction of the population so you almost never see rare serious adverse events in those trials.

For Covid-19, when a vaccine maker starts their final large, efficacy trials, the FDA should require that the producers make it available to a much larger population of young, healthy volunteers. If the vaccine turns out to be ineffective, that would be a waste of time for the volunteers with the small added risk of an adverse event. But if the vaccine turns out to be effective, it will speed up the proportion of people who have immunity.

I hope the FDA will allow a faster roll-out of potential vaccines. Normally, unless you are in a clinical trial, you can't access a vaccine (or drug) until formal approval. But this has always been a problem regarding safety - clinical trials are a tiny fraction of the population so you almost never see rare serious adverse events in those trials.

For Covid-19, when a vaccine maker starts their final large, efficacy trials, the FDA should require that the producers make it available to a much larger population of young, healthy volunteers. If the vaccine turns out to be ineffective, that would be a waste of time for the volunteers with the small added risk of an adverse event. But if the vaccine turns out to be effective, it will speed up the proportion of people who have immunity.

Thing is will a vaccine work if the next strain is more potent than the currant one ? Happens almost every year with flu shots