Stay the course.... please.

[ButchPlz]

this is considerably more contagious than both of those diseases and unlike SARS has not gone away. SARS never really affected the US like this has.

Factoring in the length of time this has been here (with data, now, showing as far back as early February), and considering most people with the illness aren't even being tested, I'd guess we're dealing with a disease less deadly than the flu!

 

[utvolpj]

this is considerably more contagious than both of those diseases and unlike SARS has not gone away. SARS never really affected the US like this has.

Then stay in your house with the rest of the vulnerable. The least vulnerable of us should have the opportunity to rescue what is left of this economy. We also need the immunity built so schools can go back in August.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

Thing is will a vaccine work if the next strain is more potent than the currant one ? Happens almost every year with flu shots

My understanding that this corona virus is huge in size compared to the influenza strains. The virologists that I’ve seen in blogs think that larger viruses mutate more slowly and some of their mutations render them harmless to us. So the hope is a vaccine developed now for Covid-19 will be effective for the near term future. If not, then we are in for the long haul for an effective vaccine.

 

[ButchPlz]

Why is a vaccine considered by anyone to be the point for this to be over? Anecdotally, I won't get a vaccine for this just like I don't get one for the flu. And even then, the flu vaccine is not anywhere close to perfect and is even near useless some years. So why is a vaccine a hyped up point for this virus now?

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

I'm a travel RN currently sitting in a break room in a major hospital in Brooklyn NY. Wearing two facial masks, facial shield, paper gown and gloves. This is how I stay for 12 1/2hrs while at work. Witnessing first hand this deadly and uncontrolled virus with no proven treatment nor vaccine scares me. (I'm also an 8 year military veteran - half of which a combat engineer). In the last two nights, I've been nursing an MD and a critical care nurse both of whom works at this particular hospital. Please do not grow tired and restless, think of the alternative and it's unforgiving and deadly consequences. Proud to be a Volunteer.....Go VOLS.

Thank you for your dedication and service. We need more people like you fighting the good fight! Stay safe!

 

[BenGrimm]

Diabetes, heart disease, and obesity kill millions and millions every year.
People still over consume sugar and don't work out.

Thousands and thousands of people die in car wrecks each year.
We still drive.

The list of things that kill people is endless. And everyone has the exact same ending. My story ends the same way as Bill Gates, George Washington, and you. We all die.

We can't stop life. We should take precautions, and did/are. If you're scared, continue to isolate yourself and take whatever precautions you deem necessary for you and your family. You're entitled to do so. Those of us who are aware of, and ok with, the risks should not be forced to live our lives a certain way. Getting in my car is still the most dangerous thing I do. The same is true for just about everyone under 50 who takes good care of themselves.

Want to kill me? Make it illegal for me to go outside and get Vitamin D, go to the gym, and have regular spontaneous social interactions.

Suicide rates and domestic abuse are going to jump so high the next 5 years from this economic fallout it's going to make COVID look like child's play.

Please stop comparing an infectious disease to car accidents. Last I checked I’m not going to get in a car accident just because I passed one on the highway 2 days ago.

 

[ButchPlz]

Please stop comparing an infectious disease to car accidents. Last I checked I’m not going to get in a car accident just because I passed one on the highway 2 days ago.

Neither will you get coronavirus just from passing someone that may or may not have it 2 days ago.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

Why is a vaccine considered by anyone to be the point for this to be over? Anecdotally, I won't get a vaccine for this just like I don't get one for the flu. And even then, the flu vaccine is not anywhere close to perfect and is even near useless some years. So why is a vaccine a hyped up point for this virus now?

I don’t think any medical expert thinks that the introduction of a vaccine means the problem is over. Hopefully, an effective vaccine rapidly increases the proportion of people with immunity. I view it as a game against the virus. Can we find a vaccine that is effective and blocks the transmission of the virus in enough people so that the remaining cases die out? If we can, we win. If however, the virus mutates fast enough, becomes resistant to the vaccines we are trying to develop, and becomes more harmful with succesive mutations, then it wins.

 

[BenGrimm]

Neither will you get coronavirus just from passing someone that may or may not have it 2 days ago.

Chances are much much much higher than the ridiculous car accident scenario.

7 Wisconsin coronavirus infections linked to Election Day, health official says

Restaurant’s air conditioning tied to 9 COVID-19 cases among diners who sat near single infected person

 

[BigOrangeAl 1979]

I

I don’t think any medical expert thinks that the introduction of a vaccine means the problem is over. Hopefully, an effective vaccine rapidly increases the proportion of people with immunity. I view it as a game against the virus. Can we find a vaccine that is effective and blocks the transmission of the virus in enough people so that the remaining cases die out? If we can, we win. If however, the virus mutates fast enough, becomes resistant to the vaccines we are trying to develop, and becomes more harmful with succesive mutations, then it wins.

. It’s already mutated twice we know now that this is a smart and sapient virus and I don’t think we will find a workable vaccine for it and I’m convinced it was engineered in a lab

 

[OldandStillaVol]

I
. It’s already mutated twice we know now that this is a smart and sapient virus and I don’t think we will find a workable vaccine for it and I’m convinced it was engineered in a lab

I had to look up ‘sapient’. Well, the chance of any single virus candidate being effective and safe is pretty low, hence the large number of candidates is needed. It might mutate it’s way out of existence on its own but I’d rather we try and knock it out faster.

 

[utvolpj]

I
. It’s already mutated twice we know now that this is a smart and sapient virus and I don’t think we will find a workable vaccine for it and I’m convinced it was engineered in a lab

If it was engineered it's a strange design. Why go after the most vulnerable unless the goal was our reaction?

 

[davethevol]

If it was engineered it's a strange design. Why go after the most vulnerable unless the goal was our reaction?

I think it was intentionally released and our reaction was part of the goal. The other part was reducing China’s population because there are too many mouths to feed. I think we will see other viruses released in the next few years that are much more dangerous. China is very cold and calculating. Our country has greatly underestimated them.

 

[utvolpj]

I think it was intentionally released and our reaction was part of the goal. The other part was reducing China’s population because there are too many mouths to feed. I think we will see other viruses released in the next few years that are much more dangerous. China is very cold and calculating. Our country has greatly underestimated them.

But no one reputable had shown this to be manufactured. I don't doubt China would do this but I'm not sure it's a true weapon. It will have a treatment soon and will need to if China's goal was population control

 

[TheDeeble]

If it was engineered it's a strange design. Why go after the most vulnerable unless the goal was our reaction?

If it was engineered you're assuming this is the final version. Version 1.7 might be what got out of the lab unintentionally and had the easily transferable, lives long time on surfaces, and contagious with no symptoms characteristics.

Version 1.8 may have been the final version of the virus where they tried to target specific characteristics of a population.

I don't think it's a conspiracy to think it was something made in lab and escaped unintentionally. We know China, the US, and other countries research them. I think viruses have escaped labs before. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were tinkering with what they could create to have that research available to try to combat future viruses. I don't think anything was unleashed intentionally, but I think it's possible it came out of a lab.

 

[utvolpj]

If it was engineered you're assuming this is the final version. Version 1.7 might be what got out of the lab unintentionally and had the easily transferable, lives long time on surfaces, and contagious with no symptoms characteristics.

Version 1.8 may have been the final version of the virus where they tried to target specific characteristics of a population.

To my knowledge no one has shown it was engineered. Being closely related to the others we've seen in the past makes me think it wasn't but not sure they'd tell us anyways.

 

[Jackcrevol]

If you're young and healthy there's basically zero chance of dying from this illness. Saying it's infected young people is ignorant bullshite designed to scare people. Sure, I could get infected and I could have severe issues. I could also get plowed over by a car while walking, get into a car accident, sustain a traumatic injury exercising, or basically anything else (all much more likely than dying from this). Less than 1% of the population of the state I'm in has been infected.

An incredibly small number have died, averaging over 75 years old and most with severe comorbidities. My area has had 3 total hospitalizations over the last two months of this- all while people just like you complain that nobody is social distancing and now news has come out that this has been here much longer than we thought. To top it off, my city didn't take solid action on any social distancing until mid March or later, well after this all fired up. So why aren't we getting crushed?

I have to sit here and watch my city die even faster because of the economic damage. I've got to watch people rat on neighbors for not wearing masks or for going out. Friends and family are out of jobs and losing more and more day after day. Sounds like a hellscape driven by helicopter moms, weak men, and otherwise scared and fragile people.

You're a lemming, literally, running off the economic cliff out of fear.

Sheep.

 

[davethevol]

To my knowledge no one has shown it was engineered. Being closely related to the others we've seen in the past makes me think it wasn't but not sure they'd tell us anyways.

The US has gone out of its way to not point fingers. I think China is holding the West hostage due to our dependency on them for medicines. I’ve said since day 1 that China diagnosed this virus too quickly and that makes it more suspect it was intentional.

 

[SalVolinus]

Please stop comparing an infectious disease to car accidents. Last I checked I’m not going to get in a car accident just because I passed one on the highway 2 days ago.

Leave the critical thinking to the adults. That wasn't even close to the take home message, which is, there are inherent risks to everything.

But you're right, unless you're fat, smoke, and generally don't care for yourself, COVID is not comparable to driving. Driving is thousands of times more dangerous.

 

[BenGrimm]

Leave the critical thinking to the adults. That wasn't even close to the take home message, which is, there are inherent risks to everything.

But you're right, unless you're fat, smoke, and generally don't care for yourself, COVID is not comparable to driving. Driving is thousands of times more dangerous.

Yes there is risk in everything from slipping in the shower and hitting my head to stepping outside house and space junk falling from the sky and hitting me. Its straw man argument and does not involve critical thinking.

You are also incorrect. There are plenty of stories of perfectly healthy 30-50 year olds being intubated and dying.

Yes there is a more vulnerable population based on extenuating morbidities and age (usually those go hand in hand).

Don’t think you are invincible to this just because you aren’t in that vulnerable population.

And for what it’s worth, you just described the vast majority of Americans. If the fat, smokers, and general dgaf-ers still need to isolate then there is no point opening everything up cause over half the population will still be in isolation.

Also FTR I am not in favor of the whole country remaining in lock down. I do think areas that haven’t been hit hard should start a soft reboot.

 

[allvol123]

If it was engineered it's a strange design. Why go after the most vulnerable unless the goal was our reaction?

This. Like the worst engineered bioweapon ever in that regard. "We're going to destroy your country by eliminating your weakest people" said no war strategy ever.

 

[SalVolinus]

You are also incorrect. There are plenty of stories of perfectly healthy 30-50 year olds being intubated and dying.

Yes there is a more vulnerable population based on extenuating morbidities and age (usually those go hand in hand).

Don’t think you are invincible to this just because you aren’t in that vulnerable population.

I'll reiterate. This isn't your fight. And I don't blame you, the majority of cable news I've seen is fearmongering bs. As they say, "Dumb it down to a 6th grade level", that is their constituent.

Pertaining to at least a portion of your response, there are examples of otherwise healthy people dying from literally every sickness.

They're called outliers. We don't define things by outliers, we disregard them so we can draw general conclusions.

Ed Aschoff's death: How often does pneumonia kill healthy adults?

The antibody studies just now coming out of NY and CA are showing infection rates up to 85x higher than previously thought. Which, consequently, means the death rate is lower by the same multitude.

 

[BigOrangeAl 1979]

I think it was intentionally released and our reaction was part of the goal. The other part was reducing China’s population because there are too many mouths to feed. I think we will see other viruses released in the next few years that are much more dangerous. China is very cold and calculating. Our country has greatly underestimated them.

I couldn’t agree more! I detest China and don’t trust them we should break off all economic relationships with them.

 

[VolGee4]

I'll reiterate. This isn't your fight. And I don't blame you, the majority of cable news I've seen is fearmongering bs. As they say, "Dumb it down to a 6th grade level", that is their constituent.

Pertaining to at least a portion of your response, there are examples of otherwise healthy people dying from literally every sickness.

They're called outliers. We don't define things by outliers, we disregard them so we can draw general conclusions.

Ed Aschoff's death: How often does pneumonia kill healthy adults?

The antibody studies just now coming out of NY and CA are showing infection rates up to 85x higher than previously thought. Which, consequently, means the death rate is lower by the same multitude.

Aschoff was found to have stage 4 non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. He didn’t die from pneumonia.

 

[SalVolinus]

Yes there is risk in everything from slipping in the shower and hitting my head to stepping outside house and space junk falling from the sky and hitting me. Its straw man argument and does not involve critical thinking.

You are also incorrect. There are plenty of stories of perfectly healthy 30-50 year olds being intubated and dying.

Yes there is a more vulnerable population based on extenuating morbidities and age (usually those go hand in hand).

Don’t think you are invincible to this just because you aren’t in that vulnerable population.

And for what it’s worth, you just described the vast majority of Americans. If the fat, smokers, and general dgaf-ers still need to isolate then there is no point opening everything up cause over half the population will still be in isolation.

Also FTR I am not in favor of the whole country remaining in lock down. I do think areas that haven’t been hit hard should start a soft reboot.

0 fatalities persons under age 9

4.9% of all deaths are people under 45 years old. Of all of these cases, a total of 25 did not have a pre-existing ailment.

1300 deaths for people aged 45-65. Of those, 59 were not diagnosed with a previously known ailment.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer