Steroids (Thread)

#27
#27
n_huffhines said:
Yes, but taken properly there isn't really a problem in the large majority of cases. To improve my sports performance I can eat enough meat to hurt my long term health, but I don't think that's a reason to ban meat consumption among athletes.
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That's a pretty poor comparison. Meat is consumed for sustenance. What purpose are steroids consumed for?
 
#28
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golfballs said:
That's a pretty poor comparison. Meat is consumed for sustenance. What purpose are steroids consumed for?
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Low testosterone. Anemia. Growth stimulation. Aids patients. After certain surgeries. That's a few of the legit medical uses. A healthy, responsible adult man can use them for quality of life as well.
 
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govols/cc said:
Low testosterone. Anemia. Growth stimulation. Aids patients. After certain surgeries. That's a few of the legit medical uses. A healthy, responsible adult man can use them for quality of life as well.
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Yes, and they are legal with a prescription.
 
#31
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golfballs said:
Is lasik surgery something that is easily abused and detrimental to one's health?
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Any surgical procedure has the potential to be extremely detrimental to one's health. Anything has the potential to be detrimental to one's health if abused or used incorrectly. Think about the recent overreaction to guns. "ZOMG, someone abused a gun, they're all bad. Ban them all. Ban them all..."

govols/cc said:
There are no real long term studies. If you are an educated healthy adult male I see no real dangers. The key words are healthy & adult & educated & a male. Arnold juiced from a teenager & is getting along pretty well. Many men outside of their prime are turning to HRT to improve quality of life. Sports made their own bed by not testing for so many years.
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You are completely right, govols/cc. If steroids/HGH were decriminalized and regulated, prescribed to the proper audience (healthy, adult males), with a doctor's supervision (there's the educated part), they would be just like any other drug: beneficial with no or limited side effects or negatives for most, a mixed bag for some, and potentially devastating side effects (think heart conditions) for some.

zjcvols said:
Steroids can be bad for you if abused (see Ken Caminiti).

However, HGH, from what I've read, is perfectly fine.
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If used/abused too early (developing teen), I have read that HGH can be bad.


govols/cc said:
This is the ignorance associated with people who know nothing about steroids. He did steroids & died so that's what killed him. It wasn't the fact he was an alcoholic or was a drug addict that did every other drug there is. He died of an overdose & you're not gonna od on steroids.
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n_huffhines said:
Yes, but taken properly there isn't really a problem in the large majority of cases. To improve my sports performance I can eat enough meat to hurt my long term health, but I don't think that's a reason to ban meat consumption among athletes.
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gv/cc & n_huffines, you both hit the nail on the head :good!:
 
#32
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golfballs said:
Yes, and they are legal with a prescription.
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So it goes from health to legality? It's a class III substance & illegal to have without a prescription. I doubt the police are gone beat your door down unless your selling or producing the stuff. The DEA actually didn't wanna make them illegal back in the day & there's a ton of other countries where it's perfectly legal.
 
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govols/cc said:
So it goes from health to legality? It's a class III substance & illegal to have without a prescription. I doubt the police are gone beat your door down unless your selling or producing the stuff. The DEA actually didn't wanna make them illegal back in the day & there's a ton of other countries where it's perfectly legal.
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Everyone needs sustenance. Not everyone needs steroids, and if they do, a professional will prescribe them to you.

Keep in mind CC, not everyone is smarter than a physician when it comes to steroids.
 
#34
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govols/cc said:
So it goes from health to legality? It's a class III substance & illegal to have without a prescription. I doubt the police are gone beat your door down unless your selling or producing the stuff. The DEA actually didn't wanna make them illegal back in the day & there's a ton of other countries where it's perfectly legal.
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Career politicians saw a chance to make a statement that the American voting public would see and hopefully turn into votes and a more lucrative career for said politicians. Just as with marijuana, many independent studies have shown that with proper use (not abuse) and under proper conditions (being a healthy, adult male), steroids/HGH are not only healthy, but significantly beneficial with very few (and in many cases, no) negative side effects.
 
#35
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golfballs said:
Everyone needs sustenance. Not everyone needs steroids, and if they do, a professional will prescribe them to you.

Keep in mind CC, not everyone is smarter than a physician when it comes to steroids.
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There are no long term studies with healthy adult men all you can do is base things on things you know. There's no doubt it has adverse affects on women & adolescents. The thing is people base what they think they know simply on what they hear from the media & such. They take every chance they can to label steroids as a killer or health risk based on things that happen to people that already had health issues &/or other dependency issues. You don't hear about the millions of other guys who never have a problem & enjoy the physical & mental sense of well being from steroids.
 
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govols/cc said:
There are no long term studies with healthy adult men all you can do is base things on things you know. There's no doubt it has adverse affects on women & adolescents. The thing is people base what they think they know simply on what they hear from the media & such. They take every chance they can to label steroids as a killer or health risk based on things that happen to people that already had health issues &/or other dependency issues. You don't hear about the millions of other guys who never have a problem & enjoy the physical & mental sense of well being from steroids.
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Yeah, I understand that.

And I think their effects on adolescents is a huge part of why they were banned outright.
 
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#37
I don't like them. I also think anybody caught should be banned from play in any professional sport.

Let's see what you can do all natural.
 
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#38
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golfballs said:
Everyone needs sustenance. Not everyone needs steroids, and if they do, a professional will prescribe them to you.

Keep in mind CC, not everyone is smarter than a physician when it comes to steroids.
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Not everyone needs tobacco, alcohol, high fructose corn syrup, daily aspirin (recently linked to macular degeneration) - but one is welcome to have any or all of those. Explain to me how any of those are any safer or healthier than properly used steroids/HGH? Yes, I realize that the other things I listed are legal...but alcohol was once illegal after having been legal (just like steroids). I don't think you can argue that properly used steroids/HGH are LESS healthy or detrimental to society than alcohol.

You are right that not everyone is smarter than a physician when it comes to steroids. But many are. You would be surprised at many (especially general/family) doctors' lack of knowledge about the proper use of steroids.
 
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E-Tizzle said:
Not everyone needs tobacco, alcohol, high fructose corn syrup, daily aspirin (recently linked to macular degeneration) - but one is welcome to have any or all of those. Explain to me how any of those are any safer or healthier than properly used steroids/HGH? Yes, I realize that the other things I listed are legal...but alcohol was once illegal after having been legal (just like steroids). I don't think you can argue that properly used steroids/HGH are LESS healthy or detrimental to society than alcohol.

You are right that not everyone is smarter than a physician when it comes to steroids. But many are. You would be surprised at many (especially general/family) doctors' lack of knowledge about the proper use of steroids.
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Alcohol, tobacco, and fructose corn syrup interests have better lobbyist than steroid ones do.
 
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golfballs said:
Alcohol, tobacco, and fructose corn syrup interests have better lobbyist than steroid ones do.
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Because there's more money to be made from them & that's all that matters. There was an interesting segment on Real Sports a few years ago about steroids. Check it out if you can. Also the documentary "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" was pretty good. Might be able to dig them up on YouTube.
 
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golfballs said:
Alcohol, tobacco, and fructose corn syrup interests have better lobbyist than steroid ones do.
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Dude their is more info out there that steroids are safe if used properly than what youre trying to debate. If I wasnt scared of needles and could afford steroids id deff be taken them right now and id have no problem at all tell people that im on them.
 
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jbeard82 said:
Dude their is more info out there that steroids are safe if used properly than what youre trying to debate. If I wasnt scared of needles and could afford steroids id deff be taken them right now and id have no problem at all tell people that im on them.
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Ok not sure you got my point
 
#44
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volinreallife said:
I don't like them. I also think anybody caught should be banned from play in any professional sport.

Let's see what you can do all natural.
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Are we talking 1950's natural? I mean, I drink a 16 oz. protein every night after I workout. Does that mean I'm "all natural"? I'm not using anything illegal, but technically not "natural" either.

That's a silly argument.
 
#45
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volinreallife said:
I don't like them. I also think anybody caught should be banned from play in any professional sport.

Let's see what you can do all natural.
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Most of us on the other side of the issue just have trouble defining what is "natural". That's the crux of the argument.
 
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golfballs said:
Yeah, I understand that.

And I think their effects on adolescents is a huge part of why they were banned outright.
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Nevermind...I thought you were talking about a government ban on non-medical use.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If that's what they based the ban on, then they should ban alcohol and tobacco for their effects on adolescents.
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I think this is a big part but I also believe sports being a big part of our culture & lives play a huge role. That & there's no significant money to be made.
 
#49
#49
The bottom line is that steroids are illegal, and those who take them are cheating. That is FACT.

Either you don't care if someone is breaking the law and cheating, or you do.

That is what the OP is asking, and all other arguments are beside the point.
 
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