Still defending Instant Replay Officiating?

[UT_Tix79]

The yellow line is not an official line its suggestive, if the ball is at the QB's groin area they don't make the 1st, can you or the replay official tell me where the ball is at when his momentum is stopped?

The QB was on top of the pile, he was never considered down. The black line was the line of scrimmage, the yellow was the first down marker. He pushed for 3 whole steps and then slid forward on the pile even more. His whole body was past the black line, and the ref came in, and spotted it on the black line.

It was a terrible spot and replay got it right.

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

watch the replay... k:

By rule that replay isn't indisputable. You can't see the ball. He could have bumbled the ball around and been holding it below his waist. You can't tell. Indisputable evidence there was not. In not saying Idon'tthink he got it, but we've been on the short end of the "by rule" stick way too much.

 

[ZZ13]

Officiating with instant replay is one of the two main reasons I have just about abandoned football as one of my core forms of entertainment. The other is all the continued addition of situation rules based on how much time is left in the game and/or where on the field it occurs.

I fell in love with football as a kid in the late 60s and early 70s. The game just flowed quickly and occasionally wrongs occurred, but no more than the wrongs that occur now even with all the attempts to prevent/correct wrongs. It started in the late 70s with the creation of the "in the grasp" rule by the NFL because of one situation in a Super Bowl where Terry Bradshaw got held up by Dallas defenders while they poked away at knocking the ball lose. Then no touching the receiver off the line, then no fumbling in the last two minutes, then keep the clock running on out of bounds except at the end of the game, then taunting, then a catch needs to involve a "football move", then 10 second runoffs, then launching/targeting, and so on and so forth.

The football world has pretty much created an unwatchable game for me now. I only watch TN games end to end now and otherwise drop in from time to time to watch parts of other games. It used to be Sat and Sun were dedicated to a sofa and I wasn't to be bothered. And I loved every second of it. And Monday night game was such an extraordinary treat. I haven't watched a Monday night game in a long while and I never watch the Thursday games.

So, no, I do not support officiating by replay and actually never have. Along with a lot of other changes over the years.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

Prove it to me

If it was the Vols on O, which way would you think? Unless he was carrying the ball in his socks, it was a 1st. Close game, Vols came up short. We all better face it, Vandy is a well-coached team that ain't going away any time soon.

 

[volfan411]

The QB was on top of the pile, he was never considered down. The black line was the line of scrimmage, the yellow was the first down marker. He pushed for 3 whole steps and then slid forward on the pile even more. His whole body was past the black line, and the ref came in, and spotted it on the black line.

It was a terrible spot and replay got it right.

He is considered down when the whistle blows and it is the officials job to spot the ball where it was when the whistle blew. Both officials spotted the ball in the same spot so I have to believe that is where the ball was when the whistle blew. It does not matter how far he pushed after the whistle blew and that is the one thing ESPN did not show or provide for us to view is when the whistle blew.

 

[saxvol]

The QB was on top of the pile, he was never considered down. The black line was the line of scrimmage, the yellow was the first down marker. He pushed for 3 whole steps and then slid forward on the pile even more. His whole body was past the black line, and the ref came in, and spotted it on the black line.

It was a terrible spot and replay got it right.

You are still hung up on that suggestive yellow line aint ya?

 

[volfan411]

By rule that replay isn't indisputable. You can't see the ball. He could have bumbled the ball around and been holding it below his waist. You can't tell. Indisputable evidence there was not. In not saying Idon'tthink he got it, but we've been on the short end of the "by rule" stick way too much.

That is correct the replay booth is to only review where the official spotted the ball and that the ball was placed in that location.

As I said after the Eric Gordon int a few years ago the wrong call was made on the field but it was also wrong in the booth once the whistle blew the play was dead by rule. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[byobbio]

watch the replay... k:

I saw every replay from every angle. My opinion is that he made the first down. But, opinion is not what it needs to be. It has to be indisputable. Well, it wasn't. Every angle I saw did not show the ball. I believe the referee on the field had a better view than any camera. He made the call. The suit/tie official up in the booth 500 yards away could not hear, see or feel the action. He was not there. He only saw what I saw. And what I saw, as per the rules, was not a first down. The ball did not cross the line. No way. Or at least the video evidence didn't show otherwise. Thus, first down TN. Game over.
Honestly, for me, the call was the right call. But, in general, I hate the rule. I hate it because fans at home can fast forward through or go to the fridge and get another cold one. The fans in the stands, however, and more important, have to sit in the cold weather and wait for this nonsense. This is a contributing factor as to why few fans are attending games these days. Not just TN. Everywhere.
I hate it. I think they are over officiating the game, overcommercializing it, over pricing it and placing way too much emphasis on the coach. It's still a game. Or at least it was. It's about the players and fans. Not about getting the call absolutely right so the press doesn't crucify you. That's it.
Rule sucks.

 

[ZZ13]

It doesn't matter what everyone thinks should have been the correct placement of the ball. What does matter is that the proper process should have been followed, which is for the field officials to spot the ball where they feel it belongs and for the replay official to change the spot if he sees evidence to support that. Since there is absolutely not one single video view of the location of the ball in the play it was total incompetence by the replay official to move the ball.

 

[allvol123]

Unless he was holding the ball between his legs, it was clear that he made the line to gain.

I am amazed at how many of you can't comprehend the word "indisputable."

 

[UT_Tix79]

You are still hung up on that suggestive yellow line aint ya?

No, but it can be used as a point of reference. Especially when it doesn't move from one play to the next. The black line moves, as it's considered the line of scrimmage marker.

The black line is lined up with the football presnap, the yellow line is about 6 inches past the black line. The snap was taken, and the QB pushed for 3 whole steps, and then slid on top of the pile. He was completely over the black line, and 3/4 over the yellow line. And the ref comes in, and places the ball back on the black line.

It may have been the worst spot in the history of spots. And replay got it right. Completely

 

[gunner]

As much as we hate it Vandy got the 1st down on that play.

Maybe, but the call on the field was he did not make it, and the replay was completely inconclusive. So the call should not have ever been overturned.

 

[Big Orange 1]

No, but it can be used as a point of reference. Especially when it doesn't move from one play to the next. The black line moves, as it's considered the line of scrimmage marker.

The black line is lined up with the football presnap, the yellow line is about 6 inches past the black line. The snap was taken, and the QB pushed for 3 whole steps, and then slid on top of the pile. He was completely over the black line, and 3/4 over the yellow line. And the ref comes in, and places the ball back on the black line.

It may have been the worst spot in the history of spots. And replay got it right. Completely

It may have been the worst spot in the history of college football. We will never know, because no one could see the ball. In order to overturn the ruling on the field, the booth would have had to have seen the ball. It could have been on his hip or anything. They missed it, it cost us the game. There is no arguing this, without seeing the ball, there is no way this should have been reversed. So replay did not get it right. Completely.

 

[Burger]

No way anyone can prove he made it or that he did not by rule the call of the field should have stood.

I believe he made it the same way I think Manzeil made it yesterday in the LSU/TaM game but he was ruled short and replay would not turn it over because the booth could not see the ball. One official got it right the other did not.

The facts the rules are completely arbitrary pisses me off. You have to enforce the rule the way it was written. Since there was no indisputable evidence that the ball wasn't at his groin because it was unseeable, it was our ball.

 

[govols1960]

Me personally...I hate the review process even though it helps from time to time. I'd rather see it put back on the ref's on the field..the review slows down the game and kills momentum.

 

[byobbio]

Me personally...I hate the review process even though it helps from time to time. I'd rather see it put back on the ref's on the field..the review slows down the game and kills momentum.

Im with you brother. It also takes away football. Take into account that this process can lengthen the game, they have reduced the amount of game time by continuing to run the clock after out of bounds plays (which is complete BS) and by running that communist 45 seconds like the NFL.

Make no mistake. Replay officiating costs us valuable football time and it needs to go now. But, people are going to live with it like they learned to live with traffic light cameras, the Patriot Act and Obamacare.

 

[govols1960]

Im with you brother. It also takes away football. Take into account that this process can lengthen the game, they have reduced the amount of game time by continuing to run the clock after out of bounds plays (which is complete BS) and by running that communist 45 seconds like the NFL.

Make no mistake. Replay officiating costs us valuable football time and it needs to go now. But, people are going to live with it like they learned to live with traffic light cameras, the Patriot Act and Obamacare.

I'll take replay review anyday over Obama and his worthless obamacare !!! lol

 

[DarthVisor]

You can bash the replay all you want, but it shouldn't have come down to that.

 

[BearCat204]

I am amazed at how many of you can't comprehend the word "indisputable."

It's "indisputable" that is was a first down.........that make you happy?

 

[volbrawler]

3/4 of the QB's body was over the yellow line. It was the right call.

Doesn't exactly matter if you can't prove the ball was as well..

 

[volfan411]

The facts the rules are completely arbitrary pisses me off. You have to enforce the rule the way it was written. Since there was no indisputable evidence that the ball wasn't at his groin because it was unseeable, it was our ball.

That is right and both officials on the field marked the ball where they thought forward progress had stopped. Without evidence the ball was at a different spot than the one marked by the officials right foot then the spot is correct.

 

[volfan411]

A poster in the other thread said the officials from last nights game were suspended by the SEC and cited the review of the spot and Pig's catch as the reason. There was no link provided so I am just passing on what he posted.

 

[Lexvol]

There is no way in hell the guys in the booth could tell where that ball should have been spotted last night, even if he did get the first down.

Pig catch did not have indisputable replay to overturn either.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

There is no way in hell the guys in the booth could tell where that ball should have been spotted last night, even if he did get the first down.

Pig catch did not have indisputable replay to overturn either.

Trying to let the officiating crew help us with winning the game, is part of the problem right now. Even if they overturned it, we shouldn't have put ourselves in the position that it even mattered. That being said, replay has helped and hurt us, so it really evens out. We would have lost worse, if they wouldn't have overturned that Matthews catch/fumble at our 4.

 

[GAVol]

Why do people say it shouldn't have come down to an official's call? The fact is, it did. Plus, we suck and have no margin for error against most BCS opponents.

I think they got the call right, but I don't think they had any conclusive video evidence for actually changing the spot because there's no way they could look at that replay and accurately spot the ball.