Still wanna blame Bush, even Obama doesn't

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utgibbs said:
Obama inherited the worst mess of any president in modern history - even when Clinton took over from the mess of the Reagan / Bush I years, at least their debauchery was better managed. The hand-over, if nothing else, was better organized. And thanks to the epic mismanagement under W, it was the biggest cluster ever handed over.

Having said that, Obama will be rightly deemed the most disappointing president in our history. From his historic campaign and victory, he has capitulated to lesser women and men, he has been a well-spoken shill for bourgeoisie interests - the true bourgeoisie too, and he has failed to unite the country with any vision of a more positive future.

I am almost hopeful that the Obama second term will right his current legacy of extreme mediocrity, capitulation, shilling for the bourgeoisie and the status quo, although he richly deserves defeat. Had he stood up straight, Abraham Lincoln himself could not save the Republican party.
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bourgeoisie , you say? i see a pattern.
 
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I don't ever remember Bush saying he inherited a war because the previous president sucked on defense and left us open for an attack.
 
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NEOCON said:
I don't ever remember Bush saying he inherited a war because the previous president sucked on defense and left us open for an attack.
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As if defense has anything to do with the terrorist attacks. Even the most fortified of countries would not have had a defense against that.
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VOLatile said:
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As if defense has anything to do with the terrorist attacks. Even the most fortified of countries would not have had a defense against that.
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It did.

The cia and fbi were no longer passing information back and forth.

Clinton had a huge hand in us getting attacked.

I also don't think Bush was a great president but anyway who doesnt place alot of the issues we face now on frank and dood just dont know the facts.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Obama says he inherited economic problems | Reuters
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His advisors, speech writers, etc. must still believe the blame game still has traction.

In any walk of life (ceo, coach, teacher, etc.) it would not be acceptable to continue blaming your predecessor. Even if it is the fault of someone else, you man up and take responsibility.

I disagree completely with his policies. I can't stand even more because he is a terrible leader. Man up and f'ing at least try to lead
 
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So Clinton is the reason for 9/11? Please educate me as to why? I'm serious - I would like to know.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
So Clinton is the reason for 9/11? Please educate me as to why? I'm serious - I would like to know.
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Really don't have time to debate Able Danger and how Weldon's story keeps changing and all the other findings that happened on BC's watch.

Some would say it never happened. Too many facts show there is something there.

Facts are though there is documentation that Jamie Gorelick strengthened "the wall" under Clinton straight from Ashcroft's mouth.
 
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NEOCON said:
Really don't have time to debate Able Danger and how Weldon's story keeps changing and all the other findings that happened on BC's watch.

Some would say it never happened. Too many facts show there is something there.

Facts are though there is documentation that Jamie Gorelick strengthened "the wall" under Clinton straight from Ashcroft's mouth.
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This, somehow, didn't convince me. I suppose if I go looking for theories I will find blogs with them - but seeing as how this is the first time I've heard it as Clinton's fault...
 
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KiffinKiller said:
So Clinton is the reason for 9/11? Please educate me as to why? I'm serious - I would like to know.
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VOLatile said:
Belongs in the conspiracy theory thread, imo.
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Not saying Clinton is the reason. The terrorists are the reason, however many occured under Clintons watch and he has to shoulder some responsibility for them, so it is ridiculous to blame Bush without blaming Clinton.

It's almost like solely blaming Bush for Obamas failed economy 3 years in his Presidency[/B]. But i know no one would do that.

List of terrorist attacks under Clinton's watch.


Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.

In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.


Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.


April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.THIS ONE MIGHT SHOULD HAVE RAISED A FLAG ABOUT 9/11 , WHAT DO YOU THINK?
 
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KiffinKiller said:
This, somehow, didn't convince me. I suppose if I go looking for theories I will find blogs with them - but seeing as how this is the first time I've heard it as Clinton's fault...
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Because the Liberal news didn't tell you to think that way unlike them telling you that the financial crisis is solely Bush's and now the Teaparties fault. Doesn't that seem weird how the blame is placed only on one side by the majority of media?
 
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So something that happened in '93 should have tipped off who? Bush? Clinton? Not seeing how this could have saved us.
 
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MUR73 said:
Because the Liberal news didn't tell you to think that way unlike them telling you that the financial crisis is Bush's and now the Teaparties fault. Doesn't that seem weird how the blame is placed only on one side by the majority of media?
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I've never once said the economy is Bush's fault...nor the TPs. Quit treating everyone like liberal enemies and we'll get along fine.
 
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VOLatile said:
Nothing will change whether Obama retains presidency or a Republican wins election. Not a damn thing. It all starts from the bottom.
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You are right. If anyone tries to get serious about it (like the TP), the establishment will call them terrorists, extremists, and generally engage in a propaganda campaign to assure they cannot get enough power to make significant change.

Until that 10-20% of voters that make up the "swing" begin to educate themselves, hold principled/rational views, and vote for a consistent set of economic priorities... we are going to continue to swing from one party to the other... one philosophy to a contradictory one.

We either need to decide as a people that we have the will to be free or the desire to have a centrally controlled economy. Trying to have both obviously isn't working.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
So something that happened in '93 should have tipped off who? Bush? Clinton? Not seeing how this could have saved us.
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Way to many factors involved to say "Clinton's fault" just like too many factors to say economic crisis is Bush's fault. With that said, it has been stated by many sources that Clinton would not order a kill shot on Osama even though he was known to be an extreme threat.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
This, somehow, didn't convince me. I suppose if I go looking for theories I will find blogs with them - but seeing as how this is the first time I've heard it as Clinton's fault...
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Clinton's admin instituted some of the policies that were later found to be contributors to the failure to prevent 9/11. Bush didn't blame Clinton. Though he made what in retrospect looks like terrible decisions... I don't either. He governed in the pre-9/11 world. There were some seemingly valid concerns that technologies and information sharing among gov't agencies provided them with too much power.

The paradigm shifted that one day.
 
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sjt18 said:
Clinton's admin instituted some of the policies that were later found to be contributors to the failure to prevent 9/11. Bush didn't blame Clinton. Though he made what in retrospect looks like terrible decisions... I don't either. He governed in the pre-9/11 world. There were some seemingly valid concerns that technologies and information sharing among gov't agencies provided them with too much power.

The paradigm shifted that one day.
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I'll agree. I just don't see how looking at previous terrorist actions (EVEN in the same building) could have saved us from an air suicide attack.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Are you? Same structure, I agree. Improving building security would have helped against planes how?
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Did you just trivialize every terrorist act i listed above and downplay an attempted bombing on the World Trade buildings, the ones that fell on 9/11, because it happened sometime ago.....You know your right, i bet that file got stored away somwhere in the back and got overlooked and forgotten because of how long it had been, even though the ones the perpetrated the act were still alive and well and still were actively trying to bring us down...makes sense.
 
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