Stop judging coaches by tourney success

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gohogs14 said:
That doesn't always happen though. A Duke team with THREE top 10 picks and a future HOF coach didn't even make the final four a couple of years ago when they were by far the best team all year long.
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Of course not, because that's part of the magic of sports and, especially, this tournament. I'm just referencing this idea of the tournament being a crapshoot. It's not. Upsets happen, but, more often than not, the better teams win and the better coaches have success. Post-season success is almost always how we judge players, teams and coaches, as well, in every sport.
 
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Bigun said:
I mean Few is 46-30 in NCAA tourney games and in the past 6 years has made the Championship game twice and no worse than the Sweet 16.
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I’m not sure if you are posting that record to further my point or not but that 46-30 number is interesting.

Few over record is 630-124 for a .836 winning % but in the tourney he only wins .697.

as I said before I think all coaches are going to see their winning % in tourneys be darn near the exact same as they are in the regular season vs similar opponents.
 
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Lots of luck involved in March. However, at some point you have to show some signs of post season success to be considered a top flight program. Obviously not EVERY single year, but it helps to avoid making a habit of coming in with a talented team and consistently getting bounced much too early as you make everyone else's Cinderella story come true. You keep doing that, you get a reputation for not being able to cut it when it counts the most because . . . well, you can't. But at least Tennessee is in a position where actually making March Madness seems to have become a fairly regular achievement. That's a big improvement from much of our program's past history.

I would, however, like to see Tennessee win the SEC Tournament again before I die.
 
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gorockytop98 said:
I'll meet you half way on this one. I think it's weighted too heavily. People tend to undervalue the 30 game regular season.

However, you build enough great rosters and the tourney results should be there eventually.

I'm willing to criticize Barnes' NCAAT record, but I do value what he's done for the program. I'd prefer a coach that can do both, but it beats Donnie Tyndall.
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“It beats Donnie Tyndall.” Wow, what high praise! Barnes is being paid over 5 million dollars per year. I don’t care how you evaluate it, he has been a bad return on investment!
 
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PACKERVOL said:
“It beats Donnie Tyndall.” Wow, what high praise! Barnes is being paid over 5 million dollars per year. I don’t care how you evaluate it, he has been a bad return on investment!
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Would you take Frank martin over Barnes?

Is he worth his $?
 
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I'd say UCLA is very happy with their Coach. And, I think now that Barnes used Ucla for more $, when in fact they weren't gonna hire him!
 
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JohnWardForever said:
I'd say UCLA is very happy with their Coach. And, I think now that Barnes used Ucla for more $, when in fact they weren't gonna hire him!
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and the coach they hired was considered one of the worst tourney coaches around before the last 2 weeks. One more pt in that play in game and he’d still be considered a bad tourney coach
 
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JohnWardForever said:
I'd say UCLA is very happy with their Coach. And, I think now that Barnes used Ucla for more $, when in fact they weren't gonna hire him!
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That is incorrect. The job was his if he wanted it, and UCLA paid the buyout. They wouldn’t, he declined, and they moved on to their 4th choice.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
“It beats Donnie Tyndall.” Wow, what high praise! Barnes is being paid over 5 million dollars per year. I don’t care how you evaluate it, he has been a bad return on investment!
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When you look at what we've paid for the last decade or so of football I really don't give a flying f*** about $5M for Barnes.
 
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BruinVol said:
I’m not sure if you are posting that record to further my point or not but that 46-30 number is interesting.

Few over record is 630-124 for a .836 winning % but in the tourney he only wins .697.

as I said before I think all coaches are going to see their winning % in tourneys be darn near the exact same as they are in the regular season vs similar opponents.
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So he has a 70% winning pct in the tourney and that is a bad thing?
 
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Unimane said:
Drew has two Elite 8's and two Sweet 16's, so he wasn't an entirely unknown figure.

But, sorry, it's a March sport. That's when the championships are determined. Just like an NFL coach is judged on his playoff performance, as is an NBA coach and MLB manager for how they perform in the playoffs. I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan. How do you think I view the last two seasons? The NCAA tournament is not a crapshoot. If it were, the two teams thought to be the best wouldn't have made it to last night's game.

Now, it does have a factor of being imperfect to where you can get snipped on a one game basis. However, the longer your career is, then the more viable your NCAA record becomes as a method to assess a coach. Izzo losing this year is one thing, but his 25 year record in the tournament speaks for itself. So, a one year assessment of a coach in the tournament may be problematic, but not a ten year one.
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Yes
 
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Bigun said:
So he has a 70% winning pct in the tourney and that is a bad thing?
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Not a bad thing for me but it’s clearly worse than his regular season record and some would claim he is an underachiever in the post season. I would not be one of those people
 
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PACKERVOL said:
“It beats Donnie Tyndall.” Wow, what high praise! Barnes is being paid over 5 million dollars per year. I don’t care how you evaluate it, he has been a bad return on investment!
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Let's be fair. He is doing better recruiting. Unfortunately his history says it wont make a difference. So far he's true to form.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I will say this, it is pretty pathetic that schools like Loyola, VCU, George Mason, and Butler can make a Final Four but Tennessee has never sniffed a Final Four in its entire history.
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Georgia’s first appearance in ncaa tournament was 1983 and they went to final four.
 
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