Stop judging coaches by tourney success

#51
#51
BruinVol said:
Agree but why is it that in the NBA isnt a single elimination win or go home tourney and nor is most HS tourneys?
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I’d say because the pros want to limit the playoffs to best half and generate more $. High schools allow every team in but you have to win enough to “earn” double elimination status. HS districts used to include 8-10 teams in them. Today with so many classes, districts with 5 or 6 are standard.
 
#52
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BruinVol said:
This is another year where we should be reminded that tourney success is a crap shoot

scott drew little to no tourney success before this year while his teams has been consistently rated in the top 10 the last number of years.

By looking at tourney success Few would be considered a bad underachieving coach I guess

Cronin at UCLA was considered to be a choke artist in the tourney and in fact was 1 pt away from losing in the playin game from continuing to be considered an awful tourney coach.

Tom Izzo once considered the greatest tourney coach of our time losses again in the first game and had some seriously embarrassing losses as high seeds lately

cal and coach K haven’t been to the final4 in a long time


Pearl lucked out in round 1 his final 4 year.

South Carolina proved the final 4 run meant zero to their future success


the point is while March madness is great entertainment its far from the best measuring stick for the success of a coach.
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Wins in the tournament lead to championships. Regular season Rick knows this.
 
#53
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BruinVol said:
Not a bad thing for me but it’s clearly worse than his regular season record and some would claim he is an underachiever in the post season. I would not be one of those people
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I'm sure his percentage is going to be much different when comparing to other elite coaches. But pretty much every other "elite" coach is at a Power 5 school where naturally there is more parity during the regular season. What other mid major coach or program is there to compare to for Few? He is an anomaly within the college basketball world statistically speaking.
 
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LittleCat said:
I'm sure his percentage is going to be much different when comparing to other elite coaches. But pretty much every other "elite" coach is at a Power 5 school where naturally there is more parity during the regular season. What other mid major coach or program is there to compare to for Few? He is an anomaly within the college basketball world statistically speaking.
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It isn’t so much the conference. The first 10 years are completely different because they were typically a high single or double digit seed that made it as far as their seeding was concerned. He built the program over the first 10-15 years and now the fruits are showing up in the past 6 tourneys/seasons.
 
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Barnes has won 65% of his games. Barnes has won 50% of his post season games. Makes sense. Post season opponents are better. But chronic Barnes Bashers like to say cute things like Regular Season Rick (which isn’t at all original).
 
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Unimane said:
Drew has two Elite 8's and two Sweet 16's, so he wasn't an entirely unknown figure.

But, sorry, it's a March sport. That's when the championships are determined. Just like an NFL coach is judged on his playoff performance, as is an NBA coach and MLB manager for how they perform in the playoffs. I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan. How do you think I view the last two seasons? The NCAA tournament is not a crapshoot. If it were, the two teams thought to be the best wouldn't have made it to last night's game.

Now, it does have a factor of being imperfect to where you can get snipped on a one game basis. However, the longer your career is, then the more viable your NCAA record becomes as a method to assess a coach. Izzo losing this year is one thing, but his 25 year record in the tournament speaks for itself. So, a one year assessment of a coach in the tournament may be problematic, but not a ten year one.
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Spot on.
 
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brockytop said:
Probably because they realize when the calendar turns to March disappointment rules the day when it comes to TN basketball. The team that made it to the Elite Eight may be the one exception.
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Dumb post. TN won an SEC championship in March. TN made back-to-back SECT finals in March. TN sat out most NCAATs for a couple of decades while the program was neglected. Now we are regularly making the NCAAT, regularly signing players that will be in the NBA, and have even been at the top of the AP poll.

Go away. This is a TN forum.
 
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BruinVol said:
This is another year where we should be reminded that tourney success is a crap shoot

scott drew little to no tourney success before this year while his teams has been consistently rated in the top 10 the last number of years.

By looking at tourney success Few would be considered a bad underachieving coach I guess

Cronin at UCLA was considered to be a choke artist in the tourney and in fact was 1 pt away from losing in the playin game from continuing to be considered an awful tourney coach.

Tom Izzo once considered the greatest tourney coach of our time losses again in the first game and had some seriously embarrassing losses as high seeds lately

cal and coach K haven’t been to the final4 in a long time


Pearl lucked out in round 1 his final 4 year.

South Carolina proved the final 4 run meant zero to their future success


the point is while March madness is great entertainment its far from the best measuring stick for the success of a coach.
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I heard someone call Cronin, “Mick Barnes” and thought it pretty funny.
GBO!!
 
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#64
Baylor was the only successful team I guess. Every other tournament team lost their last game. Except for Memphis. Or is not winning the NCAAT okay as long as a team wins a certain number of games before LOSING? How many? 3 like Cuonzo and Bruce each did one time?
 
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Scott Drew is .500 in the B12. Natty in his 18th year. It would have been fingernails on chalkboards listening to TN fans complain about him over the last decade.
 
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BruinVol said:
and the coach they hired was considered one of the worst tourney coaches around before the last 2 weeks. One more pt in that play in game and he’d still be considered a bad tourney coach
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I wonder why he struggled in the tourney? Maybe because he was at Cincinnati where he didnt have the talent as many of the teams he faced in the tournament. I dont think he was pulling 5* talent like Juzang which is what you need to make a run.
Now, compare it to you know who who has been at 2 P5 schools pulling 5* talent and compare the results. Theres a reason he cant get it done in the tourney and it aint luck.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I wonder why he struggled in the tourney? Maybe because he was at Cincinnati where he didnt have the talent as many of the teams he faced in the tournament. I dont think he was pulling 5* talent like Juzang which is what you need to make a run.
Now, compare it to you know who who has been at 2 P5 schools pulling 5* talent and compare the results. Theres a reason he cant get it done in the tourney and it aint luck.
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Bob Huggins says hi.
 
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Huggins has done fine- 4 Sweet 16’s, 2 Elite Eight’s, and 2 Final Fours. Not sure what people expect from coaches. That’s a hell of a career, especially at Cincy and West Virginia.

Ironically, Barnes has almost the exact same resume except for just one Final Four. At Clemson, Texas, and UT. You can argue how good Texas was, but not exactly powerhouse basketball schools.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Huggins has done fine- 4 Sweet 16’s, 2 Elite Eight’s, and 2 Final Fours. Not sure what people expect from coaches. That’s a hell of a career, especially at Cincy and West Virginia.

Ironically, Barnes has almost the exact same resume except for just one Final Four. At Clemson, Texas, and UT. You can argue how good Texas was, but not exactly powerhouse basketball schools.
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Bingo. Poor @mr.checkerboards thinks he’s not a good tourney coach lol
 
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