Stop trying to force a #1 vs. #2 "NC" game

[KingNick865]

Really, it's a load of crap. Except for USC and Texas back in 2005, have the #1 and #2 teams really been the 1st and 2nd team in the country.

This isn't an argument for the playoffs. This is an argument for the pre-1992 system. You know, the one where you watch all the New Years Day's football games, and that's it. There's a national champion by January 2nd.

Now, that I've said that, I shall take you all back to a very pleasant place. That place, 1998. No, wait, let's go to 1984. Everyone had messed up hair and Michael Jackson was black. Why is this year notable. Well, the national champion that year did not come from a "power" conference. Take a guess at the national champion that year. Could it have been, Miami? Nope. Maybe, South Carolina, who was #2 late in the year? Nope. Give up? Well, if you did, the national champion that year was Brigham Young University. Yes, the Mormon school in Provo, Utah.

What allowed a mid-major to win the national championship that year? Why, the system of course. You see, most people were talking about BYU the same way that year as they are about Utah this year. But, instead of dropping BYU to #2 that year, and giving it to Oklahoma, the voters said, "They deserve the national championship" after a perfect 12-0-0 season.

Now, to yours and my favorite place in CFB history, 1998. Brittney Spears was smoking hot, and it was the first year of the BCS. Now, we know that Tennessee was the best in the country, at that time, with a 12-0 record before the Fiesta Bowl. I have no problem with Tennessee, it's the team that they should have been playing that's the problem. Florida State was 11-1. Now, this is a problem. Ohio State, Wisconsin, Marshall and Arizona were all 10-1 before bowls. The team that Tennessee should have faced could have been any of those. But, there was another undefeated team that year. Tulane, 12-0 that year, was relegated to playing in the Liberty Bowl. This might be a little easier than most to call; Tennessee played the tougher schedule with the same record, but Tulane wasn't allowed to compete for a NC.

Here's what I'm gonna do. I've been typing for a while, so if you don't have the patience to read this, here's a summary.

Cliff notes: The BCS should die, and we should play bowls the 80's way.

 

[kptvol]

No. And even if you got rid of the BCS, you're still having the spread out format because there's just more money in it that way.

BYU winning the NC was the biggest joke in college football history.

 

[hatvol96]

BYU's "national title" is the single biggest abomination in the history of the sport.

 

[KingNick865]

BYU's "national title" is the single biggest abomination in the history of the sport.

How so?

 

[kptvol]

BYU's "national title" is the single biggest abomination in the history of the sport.

What? You don't think requiring a Moses-Red Sea type miracle to defeat a 6-6 Michigan team earns you eternal fame?

 

[hatvol96]

How so?

A team winning a National Championship when the best team they beat was a 6-6 Michigan team in a bowl game is a disgrace to the sport. Anyone who voted for BYU that year should have a bag of boken glass tied over their head while they are pummeled with a tire iron.

 

[kptvol]

I'm pretty sure Tulane's coach even said his team didn't deserve the NC.

 

[KingNick865]

A team winning a National Championship when the best team they beat was a 6-6 Michigan team in a bowl game is a disgrace to the sport. Anyone who voted for BYU that year should have a bag of boken glass tied over their head while they are pummeled with a tire iron.

I mean, it's not like they could drop them down to 2. If they did, I'd really like to see the outrage it would've caused.

Even so, the national title game is forced, and the #1 vs. #2 this year, IMO, aren't the best 2 teams in the country.

From what I've seen, USC should be voted national champions.

 

[kptvol]

I mean, it's not like they could drop them down to 2. If they did, I'd really like to see the outrage it would've caused.

Even so, the national title game is forced, and the #1 vs. #2 this year, IMO, aren't the best 2 teams in the country.

From what I've seen, USC should be voted national champions.

They look pretty dang good. The simple solution would be to not lose to a team that Penn State humiliated. USC knows they can't afford to lose a game. They are vastly superior to every opponent they play until that BCS bowl. They have only themselves to blame.

 

[KingNick865]

They look pretty dang good. The simple solution would be to not lose to a team that Penn State humiliated.

They always seem to mess up one game every year. It's just how they've been the last couple of years.

 

[kptvol]

They always seem to mess up one game every year. It's just how they've been the last couple of years.

That's kind of what made 1998 so special. We could have easily done that at least four times, but always managed to avoid it. That's what champs are supposed to do. They aren't supposed to lose to Stanford. I know, I know -not Ole Miss, either

 

[volsfan125]

Also, K-State and UCLA were 11-1 before the bowls. They both lost on the last weekend and both lost in their respective bowls.

 

[Cartervol]

A team winning a National Championship when the best team they beat was a 6-6 Michigan team in a bowl game is a disgrace to the sport. Anyone who voted for BYU that year should have a bag of boken glass tied over their head while they are pummeled with a tire iron.

lol: Thats good stuff.

 

[BearCat204]

That's kind of what made 1998 so special. We could have easily done that at least four times, but always managed to avoid it. That's what champs are supposed to do. They aren't supposed to lose to Stanford. I know, I know -not Ole Miss, either

Ole Miss> Stanford or Oregon State

 

[kptvol]

Ole Miss> Stanford or Oregon State

But evidently Ole Miss < Vanderbilt or South Carolina.

 

[GAVol]

Ole Miss> Stanford or Oregon State

You might want to do a little research on Oregon State. They've been pretty good the past few years.

In fact, I'd argue that USC has a pretty good argument for being in the National Title game.

 

[Cartervol]

Oregon state absolutely owned USC at home this year. They got physically whipped at the line of scrimmage all day by them.

 

[GAVol]

. . . and yet they still almost came back and won. That was a crazy game.

 

[jakez4ut]

what i think people forget is that the bowl coalition and now BCS was created in reaction to #1 not every playing #2 in a bowl game because of conf. affiliation.

if #1 was Neb and #2 was Bama........they wouldn't play each other in the bowl. SEC to sugar, Big 8 to Orange. that's just the way it was. if both teams won, then it was an eyeball test as to who should be #1 or they might split the title.

the whole reason this system was created was to originally, and simply, eliminate the conf. affiliations so there wouldn't be a reason for #1 to play #2 if those bowl affiliation would have originally prevented it.

it has evloved to this mess where we now jocky for position in the polls just to get to the game that matters.

what started out as a legitimage solution to a problem has turned in to something it was never intended to be.

blame the computers, the BCS....whatever.......but the original intention of this system was simply to eliminate the bowl affiliations that had previously prevented #1 from playing #2 in bowl games.

even then, the Rose bowl is the one that screwed this up with the original bowl coalition. they were dead set against releasing the big 10 and pac 10 champs from their tie in. the Sugar, fiesta and orange were all on board. had they joined the original coalition, then back in 97 Michigan would have played Nebraska for the national title. instead, Michigan went to the Rose bowl, Nebraska to the Orange, and we had a split title.

the BCS was the result of that failure and of course, in 98 we know what happened.

it's been down hill every since.

 

[utmba93]

I would like to see New Year's Day restored and dedicated to college football.

The top 8 teams in a first round playoff (bowl affiliated brackets) would do it for me. 4 advance to play the following week to determine who plays for the NC around mid-January.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I would like to see New Year's Day restored and dedicated to college football.

The top 8 teams in a first round playoff (bowl affiliated brackets) would do it for me. 4 advance to play the following week to determine who plays for the NC around mid-January.

ratings dilution channel flipping hurting the advertisers just won't allow that to ever come back.

 

[jakez4ut]

yeah, do you know how difficult it'd be to get 3 BCS games on in one day all starting after noon? plus get the other NYD bowl games played as well?

it's bad enough i haven't seen a Gator bowl in 10 years............

but something needs to change.....the event that used to be bowl season really sucks now.

 

[BigPapaVol]

yeah, do you know how difficult it'd be to get 3 BCS games on in one day all starting after noon? plus get the other NYD bowl games played as well?

it's bad enough i haven't seen a Gator bowl in 10 years............

but something needs to change.....the event that used to be bowl season really sucks now.

seriously. NYD went from the best college football day of the year to now just some lame games and the Rose Bowl.

 

[jakez4ut]

i didn't even know that hte Sugar Bowl was on Friday night. THe fiesta bowl was simply alternative viewing to the Bachelor and True Beauty.

part of it i do think is fox. having those games on fox, where they aren't promoted that much, especially when ESPN and ABC rule hte college football world, didn't help.

getting those back on ABC/ESPn will help.......especially if they get back to the basics with the scheduling.

 

[lawgator1]

jake, normally I agree with you on such matters, and of course I am pleased to have the Gators in the big game. And, on top of that, of course I prefer a playoff to the BCS.


But, I do think that the BCS is better than the old conference tie-in system to the 1/1 bowls. Plus, I don't see how people can complain too much this year with the OU and Fla. As national c-ship games go, this one has some pretty decent hype and good anticipation.
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