Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare.

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GAVol said:
That's a whole other debate that I go back and forth on.
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The big thing for me with that is any third party candidate receiving 15% of the vote automatically gets their parties candidate a spot in the debate the next time around.

That threshold used to be a lot lower, then the Dems and GOP deliberately and abritrarily kept Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan out of the debates in 2000 and moved it up to 15%, which seems impossible to get these days, no matter how fed up with both parties people are.

I mean, not many presidents have had job approval ratings lower than Obama's at this point, and he's coming up smelling like roses compared to house Republicans on that front. And I've never seen a base put clothespins on their noses en masse like Republicans will do this year to vote for Romney. Yet it's still almost inconceivable that a third party candidate will pull more than a point or so of the vote, and that we'll have more than three or four people in all of congress who aren't with either major party.
 
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GAVol said:
As long as Romney sticks to his argument that it was a state solution to a state problem, I think he's OK.
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LOL.

Romney wrote an editorial in 2009 expressly calling for Obama to institute it on the national level.

In fact, Romney added this:

"There's a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it. ... First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others."


Romney flatly endorsed this exact plan just three years ago. Any effort to distinguish it, to claim it is something different, is imply an outright lie.
 
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Gag... Having to agree with lg here. It was a news blip during the primary races, but he did endorse the exact same thing he's railing against right now.

I expect that quote to hit hard on a 7 day news cycle again once it gets closer to November.
 
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if that's a big deal shouldn't Obama be held to the same standard?

“Health care should never be purchased with tax increases on middle class families.” -BO

Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer with the Wall Street Journal, told FOX and Friends this morning that nearly 75% of Obamacare costs will fall on the backs of those Americans making less than $120,000 a year.
 
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lawgator1 said:
LOL.

Romney wrote an editorial in 2009 expressly calling for Obama to institute it on the national level.

In fact, Romney added this:

"There's a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it. ... First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others."


Romney flatly endorsed this exact plan just three years ago. Any effort to distinguish it, to claim it is something different, is imply an outright lie.
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none of that is going to change that this decision made Obama untrustworthy to more people and that adds on to his empty suitism. How he was ever trustworthy is absolutely unfathomable to me, but he was to some degree. Every little chance he gets, he further erodes his very limited strong suits.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
none of that is going to change that this decision made Obama untrustworthy to more people and that adds on to his empty suitism. How he was ever trustworthy is absolutely unfathomable to me, but he was to some degree. Every little chance he gets, he further erodes his very limited strong suits.
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I find Romney equally untrustworthy, maybe more so. I really think Obama is generally an idiot and doesn't realize it when he breaks promises. He has an agenda and he is to stupid to realize it doesn't always jibe with his rhetoric.

Romney comes across as a greasy car salesman that willingly says anything to get elected.
 
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rjd970 said:
I find Romney equally untrustworthy, maybe more so. I really think Obama is generally an idiot and doesn't realize it when he breaks promises. He has an agenda and he is to stupid to realize it doesn't always jibe with his rhetoric.

Romney comes across as a greasy car salesman that willingly says anything to get elected.
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If I'm going to be fed BS, I'd rather the guy know that he's shoveling BS.
 
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rjd970 said:
I find Romney equally untrustworthy, maybe more so. I really think Obama is generally an idiot and doesn't realize it when he breaks promises. He has an agenda and he is to stupid to realize it doesn't always jibe with his rhetoric.

Romney comes across as a greasy car salesman that willingly says anything to get elected.
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Surely you don't think Romney more of a slick, lying sales empty suit than Obama? If the two are exactly equal on the slimy scale (and I don't think they are in any way), at least Romney has an uber-successful professional career in finance to lean back upon. Obama can idiotically campaign against Romney's success, but it doesn't change that he was a founding partner at one of the most successful equity funds in the world, and that's much harder to pull off than anything Obama's done, aside from lie to be elected.
 
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Obamacare-like “Death Panels” are already emptying out hospital beds in the United Kingdom. According to one report last year the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) euthanized 130,000, mostly expendable seniors. Its benignly named “Care Pathways”, kills almost 360 people every day.
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Democrats rightly claim the phrase “Death Panels” does not appear in Obamacare’s 2000 plus pages, but why should it? They don’t want us to recognize what they are really up to; liberals never do. Saying Obamacare has no “Death Panels” because those two words aren’t in the bill is a cynical lie. The Nazis never sent Jews to “Extermination camps” or gas chambers; they sent them to “Work camps and showers.”

Liberal Paul Krugman got it right when he slipped and said, “Some years down the pike, we’re going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes…..”
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