Swine Flu Outbreak

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#105
lawgator1 said:
Link?
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Not even a right wing based conspiracy news group you


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Two L.A. County deaths possibly related to swine flu, coroner says [Updated] | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times
 
#107
#107
And when I say two possible deaths, I mean that they are dead, just possible that it was swine flu.
 
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#108
OE, all you need to do is copy/paste that entire article and you'd be a spitting image of GS.
 
#109
#109
If Obama fails this test as miserably as he failed during the ice storm in Kentucky and the flooding in North Dakota, we're all doomed.
 
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#110
Mods, thanks for merging for me. Realized afterwards that the news stories were already linked in at the original thread.
 
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#115
CSpindizzy said:
And your view is a naive view of the world. You're telling me that these 'eventualities' are better handled through government planning? Keep in mind that the military and defense research is the same comparison. Were they technologically prepared for Iraq or Afghanistan? Or 9/11 - after one hit to the WTO was NYC prepared? The US government? Katrina?

You see, research in the hands of the government is a typical bureacratic process. The whole joke about paperwork in triplicate? Research is doubled that. There is nothing to spur a timetable whatsoever. When it comes to a health issue like pandemics, epidemics, etc. private firms compete with each other to develop vaccines. They compete with each other to win government contracts or the purchase from the consumer. It's like the AIDS research - try following the work the government has done with that. Private researchers have come much further for a fraction of the cost compared to government research through the NIH and CDC.

If the government wants to focus on asteroids, so be it. But when it comes to sources of problems we typically face each year, I'd feel much better relying on the private sector than government.
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Where the hell did you come from?
 
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#117
joevol320 said:
here's something scary. i read where mexico still has not given any flu vaccines to the families of people who died of the flu. it's odd because mexico has nationalized healthcare, i thought that was so much better than what we have.
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There is no flu vaccine for this. It doesn't work that way. This is a whole new critter. But if there were, I wouldn't count on government distribution either.

If there is a vaccine formulated, it will take months to generate even a small (compared to the millions (billions?) who would want it) supply. By then, its quite likely the effectiveness of the vaccine will be lessened due to further mutation, like we see with seasonal human flu sometimes.
 
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#119
lawgator1 said:
Thomas Malthus: "Told ya."
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Interesting thought. He didn't foresee the rapid advances in technology we have enjoyed since his lifetime, so we may yet avoid his catastrophe. But still, he could be right, at one point or another.


Some people are clamoring for us to close the borders. They don't understand that we are way past that point. It's already here, scattered across the country. All closing down the border will do now is stifle commerce and create panic. Now, they better be ready to control the border should panic set in down there... But trying to close it will only bring that panic to fruition faster.
 
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#121
The interesting thing is, hundreds or thousands of people may have had it, without ever having the need to go to the hosptial. They felt bad for a couple of days then were over it. The 1976 outbreak, only 1 person died, even though 500 people tested positive for it at the army base where the private died.
 
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oklavol said:
The interesting thing is, hundreds or thousands of people may have had it, without ever having the need to go to the hosptial. They felt bad for a couple of days then were over it. The 1976 outbreak, only 1 person died, even though 500 people tested positive for it at the army base where the private died.
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Same strain? Are you sure?
 
#123
#123
Ya, do you have a link, Oklavol? Or are you talking about a previous outbreak of swine flu? Each iteration of a flu virus is a whole new deal, because of how our immune system works. This one is such a concern because it is unusually deadly due to us not having been exposed to this sort of hybrid flu before.

To be fair, something like 36,000 people die of the human flu each year. Mostly the elderly or immuno-compromised (cancer patients, AIDS sufferers, etc.)
 
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