Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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marcusluvsvols said:
I am sure you cant get to specifics, but Grand do you know what fighter and bomber wings are stationed there? No US fighter or bomber squadrons permanently stationed there.

You know, just south of Russia and all of its former republics...of extreme strategic importance to us to have a forward stationed major AFB right on Russias door, and within striking distance of every country in both Europe and the sandbox. That Incirlik. Yeah... Not entirely on Russia's doorstep. Actually, closer to Syria than Russia

So all the morons here hollering that we were supposed to put US troops on the ground directly in between 2 hostile forces that have been at war for centuries...and take the side AGAINST our NATO ally right next door which has 10,000 troops massed at the border and conducts airstrikes with F16s that we sold them...we are supposed to take up positions against them and what? Take off from our AFB, incirlik, inside THEIR COUNTRY and try to establish a no fly zone next door in syria to keep them from attacking? Is that what we are supposed to do? Nevermind our 70 year old treaty with them...what would happen to all of the men and women stationed at INCIRLIK when we start backing their enemies next door? You think all of those people would be safe? You think that we should put them in danger to help the kurds? You think we should have kept boots on the ground right there in the thick of it losing American lives? What about the 12k ISIL fighters currently in camps there? Are we supposed to take them, too?

Yall calling for us to do anything besides get out of the way and let them fight are stupid. We are lucky that nobody is making a big deal out of the fact that WE ARMED the turks to fight against our ally, a NATO member, who let's us keep a forward AFB in their country to help keep Russia in check.

Incirlik is of GREAT strategic value. Far more than anything that will ever go down in syria. Or iraq for that matter. If and when we have to go to war with Iran, or in former soviet republics, Incirlik will be a vital part of those efforts.

Edit...BY the way...we have approximately 50 NUCLEAR WEAPONS at incirlik...strategically placed to be used in the areas I listed above. But yeah, let's start a war with Turkey.....MORONS
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Some clarification in red.

However, the fact that thousands of US personnel are stationed at Incirlik does concern me. The nukes...may or may not be there. The parts are there, but I have my doubts if the core if actually being stored there.
 
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Septic said:
Yep it was one of the reasons. What you're describing as policing, OBL saw as occupation of their 'holy' lands. Take that occupation of Saudi Arabia out of the equation and there's probably a dozen more reasons the outcome would have been the same. I think the argument that 9/11 was as much or more about sticking it to the 'West' for radical religious 'reasons' as it was about anything else.
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Who are you? There are a hundred Christian countries. We were targeted because of our meddling. You mentioned Israel. Do you not consider our role/relationship to Israel to be meddling? We've been fkn around in their neighborhood for 70 years.
 
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#731
So if we go over to the Middle East under a GOP POTUS it's for the oil but if we leave it's abandoning an ally? Am I thinking correctly for a Lib?
 
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Mick said:
Thanks, I actually believed you because it's the first I've heard of it. I just like to verify information.
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No prob..sorry I could have linked the whole page instead of the quote to make it easier
 
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#740
So are we now for-hire mercenaries trolling for work from any strong arm dictator with some cash?

 
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#743
Let's get this straight. We move troops that served as a deterrent, and now one of our allies is under attack. We also place troops in another country to act as a deterrent for a conflict that we provoked. Bring our troops home rings hollow at this point. He's doing what he said he would, is also BS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Non-interventionism =/= isolationism

Being the world's police has not made us safer, it's had questionable results for the people we try to help, and it's bankrupting us. We fkn created ISIS. But at least we're "playing the game" I guess
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Non-interventionism, when you are a superpower, is isolationism. You don't just get to decide one day that you're no longer a superpower and no longer have responsibilities or moral obligations.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
So because the other guy is going to get involved and " run the table" we should get involved as well? How about we fight one war at a time. Is that to much to ask?
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Syria is different because we weren't even doing the hard work. The Kurds did the majority of the fighting. Our job was to provide capabilities that the Kurds lacked (CAS, Precision fire support, training route clearance, area clearance, raids on HPTs.)
 
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