Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[TNVOLNAVY]

Unbelievable: Taliban Troll Biden On TWITTER By Posing With Ice Cream

 

[05_never_again]

What then was the problem with all of those instances?

You get your question answered for you, but you like to argue so much that you speed right by it keep arguing.

All of those failures that you mentioned weren’t failures in terms of combat effectiveness. They were failures because they were open-ended nation-building adventures that lacked any sort of a clear goal.

The US military is good at the combat part, horrible at the adventure part. But the MIC loves the adventure part, so that’s why we keep doing it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Great way to describe Joe

He doesn’t even know what happened. It’s his puppeteers

 

[allvol123]

None of our business. How hard is that for you to understand?

Keeping your eyes closed is not hard to understand. I see it all the time.

 

[JohnD13]

You think maybe Joe has a doll for his naps?

Naw, but I bet Trump has a blow up doll....

 

[Weezy]

Unbelievable: Taliban Troll Biden On TWITTER By Posing With Ice Cream

If it's on Twitter they better be careful. You can scream Death to America all you want, but going after Democrats is against their glorification of violence policy.

 

[landscapingvol]

No. I'm saying China won't engage us preemptively. It's not going to happen in our lifetimes. Probably never

You mean like the Korean War? They didn't have any problems doing it then less than a decade after helping them in WWII.

 

[headhunter15]

Here’s the Taliban we all know and hate.

 

[landscapingvol]

The last time the U.S. was victorious in a significant conflict?

South Pacific Theater, WWII

Complete nonsense, the only major military campaign the US arguably lost was Afghanistan and even that wasn't a military defeat but a political one. The US military did its job in Vietnam and was rarely defeated if every on the battlefield. The only real major offensive the NVA launched was TET and it suffered massive losses that it couldn't sustain. The US pulled back in Korea fearing WW3 and it turned into a political stalemate. The military quickly destroyed Iraq in Kuwait and pushed them out. The US quickly removed Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq the second time. We just had no real answers for a replacement government. The US pushed the Taliban out of power quickly and they fled to Pakistan. The US had no real answers for a replacement government and the Taliban simply waited the US out. I guess we could have invaded Pakistan but that is not really a serious solution.

 

[Pacer92]

You get your question answered for you, but you like to argue so much that you speed right by it keep arguing.

All of those failures that you mentioned weren’t failures in terms of combat effectiveness. They were failures because they were open-ended nation-building adventures that lacked any sort of a clear goal.

The US military is good at the combat part, horrible at the adventure part. But the MIC loves the $$$ part, so that’s why we keep doing it.

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[Grand Vol]

It's pretty interesting that after 100 pages, we still like pie a lot more than staying in Afghanistan.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Complete nonsense, the only major military campaign the US arguably lost was Afghanistan and even that wasn't a military defeat but a political one. The US military did its job in Vietnam and was rarely defeated if every on the battlefield. The only real major offensive the NVA launched was TET and it suffered massive losses that it couldn't sustain. The US pulled back in Korea fearing WW3 and it turned into a political stalemate. The military quickly destroyed Iraq in Kuwait and pushed them out. The US quickly removed Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq the second time. We just had no real answers for a replacement government. The US pushed the Taliban out of power quickly and they fled to Pakistan. The US had no real answers for a replacement government and the Taliban simply waited the US out. I guess we could have invaded Pakistan but that is not really a serious solution.

Sounds like a lot of losses for saying no losses. And please describe to me the difference between Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea and how we were victorious. And by victorious, I mean how did we achieve our long term goals.

 

[Grand Vol]

And by victorious, I mean how did we achieve our long term goals.

"Military Contractors gettin PAID and in turn, payin politicians for even more war!"

 

[Weezy]

Complete nonsense, the only major military campaign the US arguably lost was Afghanistan and even that wasn't a military defeat but a political one. The US military did its job in Vietnam and was rarely defeated if every on the battlefield. The only real major offensive the NVA launched was TET and it suffered massive losses that it couldn't sustain. The US pulled back in Korea fearing WW3 and it turned into a political stalemate. The military quickly destroyed Iraq in Kuwait and pushed them out. The US quickly removed Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq the second time. We just had no real answers for a replacement government. The US pushed the Taliban out of power quickly and they fled to Pakistan. The US had no real answers for a replacement government and the Taliban simply waited the US out. I guess we could have invaded Pakistan but that is not really a serious solution.

I agree. I'm not a history buff, but remember being impressed when reading about the Iraq surge in the second war. We did that job just fine. Our soldiers really have no other equal. We just can't nation build. It's not possible. From here on we need to do our mission and move out. If something like ISIS happens, then do it again. But we can't be a stand-in for another nation's military.

 

[landscapingvol]

Sounds like a lot of losses for saying no losses. And please describe to me the difference between Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea and how we victorious. And by victorious, I mean how did we achieve our long term goals.

Huge difference between no political foresight and losing militarily, it isn't the military's fault that the US government in incompetent. Long term goals? South Korea is still non-communist, correct? Explain to me how propping up a feckless SV government that was incompetent as well as in Afghanistan is a military defeat. Iraq so far is still a functioning government but the military clearly did it's job as it was tasked to do.

 

[tbh]

It's pretty interesting that after 100 pages, we still like pie a lot more than staying in Afghanistan.

You're on to something, I believe. Fast forward ~3 years, much could be made of a political campaign focused on the common ground that is pie. Apple pie, chess pie, cherry pie, it doesn't matter; all are welcome within the Big Pie Case. Sure, there may be minor details to work out regarding shortbread crust vs graham cracker crust, double crust vs lattice crust...but the big idea of pie unites us, it seems.

 

[hog88]

You mean like the Korean War? They didn't have any problems doing it then less than a decade after helping them in WWII.

China will push and push but unless we cut off our markets to them they won't openly attack US interests. Ask yourself if you would take a hammer to the guy putting money into your piggy bank?

They own us, they don't have to attack us.

 

[hog88]

Complete nonsense, the only major military campaign the US arguably lost was Afghanistan and even that wasn't a military defeat but a political one. The US military did its job in Vietnam and was rarely defeated if every on the battlefield. The only real major offensive the NVA launched was TET and it suffered massive losses that it couldn't sustain. The US pulled back in Korea fearing WW3 and it turned into a political stalemate. The military quickly destroyed Iraq in Kuwait and pushed them out. The US quickly removed Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq the second time. We just had no real answers for a replacement government. The US pushed the Taliban out of power quickly and they fled to Pakistan. The US had no real answers for a replacement government and the Taliban simply waited the US out. I guess we could have invaded Pakistan but that is not really a serious solution.

You just confirmed docs point. Remember "War is the continuation of politics by other means" so no matter what happens on the battlefield politicians actually decide the victor.

 

[Grand Vol]

What then was the problem with all of those instances?

05 hits the nail on the head. The US Military has the ability (when properly allowed) to decimate any other military force on this entire planet. Even OIF was a textbook case of the ability of our military to kill people and break their toys.

We have a serious problem with trying the liberal idea of nation building in places that aren't ready for or really don't want Western style democracy. "Oh, we broke your crap and you're incapable of fixing it yourself?!?! We HAVE to rebuild it for you and do it the way WE want!"

Eff that. Germans and Japanese rebuilt their countries after WWII with us watching over their shoulder. Yeah, we gave loans and guaranteed lines of credit, but the people in those nations rebuilt them brick by brick.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Huge difference between no political foresight and losing militarily, it isn't the military's fault that the US government in incompetent. Long term goals? South Korea is still non-communist, correct? Explain to me how propping up a feckless SV government that was incompetent as well as in Afghanistan is a military defeat. Iraq so far is still a functioning government but the military clearly did it's job as it was tasked to do.

Go to school in Great Britain. They will teach you that they have never lost a war either.

 

[hog88]

05 hits the nail on the head. The US Military has the ability (when properly allowed) to decimate any other military force on this entire planet. Even OIF was a textbook case of the ability of our military to kill people and break their toys.

We have a serious problem with trying the liberal idea of nation building in places that aren't ready for or really don't want Western style democracy. "Oh, we broke your crap and you're incapable of fixing it yourself?!?! We HAVE to rebuild it for you and do it the way WE want!"

Eff that. Germans and Japanese rebuilt their countries after WWII with us watching over their shoulder. Yeah, we gave loans and guaranteed lines of credit, but the people in those nations rebuilt them brick by brick.

We haven't fought anything close to peer to peer since WWII and that was more of a victory of our industrial might than anything. We don't have that industrial capability these days.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Huge difference between no political foresight and losing militarily, it isn't the military's fault that the US government in incompetent. Long term goals? South Korea is still non-communist, correct? Explain to me how propping up a feckless SV government that was incompetent as well as in Afghanistan is a military defeat. Iraq so far is still a functioning government but the military clearly did it's job as it was tasked to do.

The military's goals are tied into the political goals. If you don't achieve the political goals then the campaign was a failure.

 

[Grand Vol]

We haven't fought anything close to peer to peer since WWII and that was more of a victory of our industrial might than anything. We don't have that industrial capability these days.

No, that's true. We wouldn't have the ability for a sustained worldwide campaign like WWII unless we completely revamped our economy to a military setting. But make no mistake, we would have the ability to seriously bloody the nose of anyone who challenged us. Sustaining that kind of conflict is another matter entirely.

 

[InVOLuntary]

China will push and push but unless we cut off our markets to them they won't openly attack US interests. Ask yourself if you would take a hammer to the guy putting money into your piggy bank?

They own us, they don't have to attack us.

Not to mention they don't need to destroy us. They can sit back and let us destroy ourselves from within.

 

[Orangeburst]

Not to mention they don't need to destroy us. They can sit back and let us destroy ourselves from within.

If one was to ID as female would one have to submit to the draft? Loophole